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Pereyra: AI models won't change senior partner or senior engineer roles anytime soon
“When we think of the best partners we've worked with, I don't think the models are doing what they do anytime soon. And I think what's interesting is I think the role of law firm partners actually doesn't change that much in the same way. I don't think the rol…”
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Pereyra: Law firms will 10x in size again due to AI
“Law firms have like 10 X in size compared to before computers and the internet. And I think that's going to happen again, but in like maybe a different way than the past 20 years.”
Insight
Pereyra: Real software engineering lacks objective unit-test verifiability at scale
“I think you actually have the same problem in programming, where I think in the short term programming is verifiable, where you can look at unit tests, but once you get into real software engineering, like the unit, there is no unit test. It's like I deployed …”
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Pereyra: Law firms are acting as Harvey implementation partners for clients
“Law firms are starting to do this for their in-house clients. So they're starting to go and take Harvey and go to their clients and say, Hey, buy Harvey and we'll help you build all the workflows and implement it because we have the scale and the expertise to …”
Insight
Pereyra: Building a tech-enabled law firm requires running two incompatible companies
“The big challenge that they ran into was, you're essentially just building two different companies, right? You're building a law firm, And you're building a tech company, and it's already really hard to, like, build product engineering, do AI, scale sales, and…”
Insight
Pereyra: 20% faster coding does not produce products 20% faster
“Making someone program 20% faster doesn't make you build a product 20% faster. And so starting to think about, like, what is the broader infrastructure you need so these companies can develop software and product faster?”
Insight
Pereyra: Enterprise AI bottlenecks are orchestration and governance, not model intelligence
“When you get to that scale, a lot of the problems we're solving are not just model intelligence problems. They are these orchestration, governance, and kind of all of the enterprise product problems that you run into at scale.”
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Pereyra: Harvey signed Walmart and works with AT&T and Fortune 500 clients
“So we recently announced we signed Walmart. We're working with AT&T, a bunch of these fortune, 500 large private equity firms, global 2000, kind of the largest consumers of legal services.”
Insight
Pereyra: Legal and Coding See AI Traction Because Both Workflows Are Unstructured
“Legal is so difficult is the workflows aren't structured. So the same way with programming, it's really hard until these models to build tools for programmers. You basically just had an ID and then programmers did stuff in all the different languages, but you …”
Insight
Pereyra: In Legal AI, the RL Environment Is a Client Matter
“And in legal, that RL environment is a client matter. So you have all of the context of a fund formation, an acquisition, a litigation, and the models are starting to learn. Let me go in the document management system and see if I can find this, go in the data…”
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Pereyra: Senior systems engineering expertise won't enter AI models soon
“None of this is public. This will, won't go into the models for a long time.”
Insight
Pereyra: Legal AI requires expert reasoning traces, not just public filings
“Like all you get from these public mergers is like an SEC filing. And so you do see the final result. But most of the value or what you need, I think, to eventually improve these models is the decision making process the same way you need these reasoning trace…”
Insight
Pereyra: Complex legal drafting lacks binary verifiability for AI reward functions
“For something like generate this merger agreement, it's really hard to just give some binary like this is good or this is bad. And I think this has been like a big research problem, like with all the labs we work with, and also internally, there is just this o…”
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Pereyra: Fortune 500 legal departments lack standard systems compared to law firms
“When we start working with the Walmarts, the very large banks, the Fortune 500, they're much less standardized than these law firms, and so there is just this massive amount of work where we go to a large bank and they say, we don't have any document managemen…”
Insight
Gabe Pereyra: Client conflicts limit AI law firms compared to software providers
“Solving that equation at scale is a much bigger opportunity than if you build a single law firm Because you get conflicted out. You can't scale this.”
Insight
Pereyra: Narrow AI point solutions fail to leverage generalist model power
“If you had built something where it's like all this does is like check that your Python code doesn't have bugs, which you could have done better with 3.5, like you wouldn't have built something like cursor. And the intuition was just these models can help you …”
Insight
Pereyra: Legal AI Succeeded Early by Focusing on Document Upload and Citations
“I think it was finding the right form factor. And I think in legal, it was maybe a bit more obvious where the initial form factor was essentially like the initial feature we built that none of the products had at the time was upload a document and do something…”
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Pereyra: Coding AI Lagged Legal AI Due to Model Capabilities and IDE Integration
“I think with coding, The initial models were also not quite as good, that you needed maybe a bit more capabilities of the base models, and then you needed, I think, figuring out the right way to, like, integrate this into the IDE.”
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Pereyra: Harvey reaches nearly 1,000 customers and 500 employees
“We're almost at a thousand customers, 500 employees. Started about just over three and a half years ago, and so been kind of scaling quickly since then”
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Pereyra: Legal is a $1T market while professional services is $3T-$5T
“And I think to your point, the scope of this, like legal is a trillion professional services is something like three to five trillion.”
