Ben Chestnut
Co-founder & Former CEO, Mailchimp. On 4 shows, 6 appearances, plus 1 compilation re-air not counted. The Shows tab opens the full record on each.
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Ben Chestnut co-founded the marketing platform Mailchimp in 2001 alongside Dan Kurzius, bootstrapping the company before selling it to Intuit for $12 billion in 2021. He served as Mailchimp's CEO for more than twenty years before stepping down in 2022.
4shows
6appearances
95statements
19resolved
9supported
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47%fully supported
34said about them ↓ Everything Ben Chestnut said on any show that made the record, most notable first. Each card names its show and opens the statement there.
Chestnut: Serving the long tail makes a company much more resilient
“You know, you have to depend on just a handful of customers with the long tail. You know, we're serving You know, thousands or millions of tiny customers who pay small amounts of money. You don't rely on anyone too much such that, you know, they're sort of too…”
Chestnut: SMB Software Sales Pipelines Need to Span Five to 10 Years
“It's a little bit weird with small businesses because sometimes with small businesses, they need like five years to figure it out and you know how it is. And so. We never really found the one show. What we found was that they just need lots of time to find the…”
Chestnut: Brand marketing is the most economical marketing founders can do
“It's actually the most economical marketing you do because it goes viral that people tell their friends about, and that's the cheapest marketing that you could pay for.”
Chestnut scaled Mailchimp purely by ensuring his monthly bank balance grew
“I never had investors, so I never had to do reports. No business plan. I never, I had a monthly bank statement, and I said, what's What's the starting balance, and what's the ending balance? Ending should be bigger. And it always was bigger.”
Founders cannot replicate Mailchimp's bootstrapping success in the current bundled cycle
“Now I think that we're at a different time when people want it bundled back together again, and the cycle is just going to keep continuing. I think right now I don't know that you could do what we did. Yeah, I think there, it will happen when there is a great …”
Entertaining M&A talks creates irreversible executive momentum to sell the company
“If you don't ever want to get acquired, never open the door to anyone. Because here's, really, honestly, if you open the door and let one in, you have to bring your executive team in with you eventually, and once everyone gets in on that, it's very tough to ba…”
Chestnut: Early VCs Relied on Identical Scare Tactics to Push Funding
“And then by the 10th one, I realized they were all saying the same thing. They were all using the same playbook. And it was always a scare tactic. Like, if you don't take our money, you're just gonna peter out and die. And so we just, I guess, more stubbornly …”
Mailchimp's Freemium Pipeline Spanned Up to Ten Years as Entrepreneurs Rebounded
“And it would take them quite a while to convert. I don't think most businesses would have the patience to wait for these customers because you'd see them come in and start a business, set up a MailChimp account, try to do something with a business. They would …”
Chestnut: Mailchimp rejected venture capital due to uniform scare-tactic pitches
“You know, for the first two, I started to think about it, because I really believed their pitches, and then by the 10th one, I realized they were all saying the same thing, they were all using the same playbook and it was always a scare tactic, like, if you do…”
Mailchimp rejected venture investors because internal cash flow was sufficient
“We were totally self-funded. Investors still came, and, you know, they would say, you know, take our money, and we'd say, we can't, we don't know why we would need it. We, we're making plenty.”
Chestnut: Mailchimp has had acquisition offers, keeps an open mind on selling
“I've had offers. The thing is, I love what I do, and I don't know, I, it's one of those things I, you know, you never, you learn over time, after 20 years of running a business, you learn, never say never, right? I think I have an open mind about it, but I can…”
Chestnut: Mailchimp's 2,000-Subscriber Paywall Felt Like a Celebratory Rite of Passage
“Once their list grew to about 2000, that's when they felt like it was more, it was less of like a forcing mechanism mechanism, but more like a celebratory. Right of passage. Like if they could get their audience to 2000 and they had to start paying, they felt …”
Chestnut: Infusing humor and personality into the app was Mailchimp's key early unlock
“Turned out small business customers running a small business is dismal. I've learned over the years and they really need like A ray of sunshine, some sense of hope some kind of humor in the app, and so I think that was sort of the, that was the thing that kind…”
Chestnut: Mailchimp bootstrapped because Atlanta funding was unavailable post-dot-com bust
“I couldn't get funding even if I wanted to after the dot com bust. I was in Atlanta, so don't use me as a hero.”
Chestnut: GDPR hurts marketing companies financially
“GDPR really hurts marketing companies financially.”
Chestnut: Regulatory compliance is not a SaaS moat unless enforced on everyone
“I think that this sort of stuff is, is not quite moat level. I'd like to believe that it's moat level. Yeah, I don't know. You know how it is. A lot of startups don't care about that. Don't care about following those rules. If everyone had to force, everyone w…”
Ben Chestnut: People who lack discipline simply do not want success enough
“So, so to me, if somebody is just not disciplined to take control of their lives and be successful, they must not want it, and I'm not going to bother with it.”
Ben Chestnut: Creative Founders Stepping Back From Executive Duties Is A Cop-Out
“I watched a lot of founders You know, they would evolve and they would say, I'm more of a creative guy. I'm going to step back from this and let somebody else take over. And I would always think, you know, that's kind of a cop out.”
Ben Chestnut: Mailchimp rejected early buyout offers and outside VC funding
“There were times when I think we could have sold the business early. There were a lot of people, you know, a lot of suitors knocking on the door, a lot of investors knocking on the door. And I think I just sort of had this like stubbornness that I didn't need …”
Mailchimp scaled without any sales or customer success teams
“We've never had any kind of sales or customer success ever.”
Founders giving sub-account keys to a new VP signals high churn risk
“What we looked at was if the founder set up a sub-account, You know, send a username and password to their VP. You're basically making a copy of the keys for a VP. That was the potential breaking point. That was our red flag. If a new VP comes on, they're not …”
Scaling from $800 million to $1 billion ARR is the hardest stage
“I'd studied the art of it, though, and I'd learned from a lot of CEOs and founders out there that you could Probably get up to eight hundred million, and that last two hundred million is the hardest you'll ever get, and that was absolutely true.”
California wins B2B enterprise, but Atlanta is unmatched for consumer brands
“If you're gonna start a B-to-B enterprise company, California's absolutely the best place to be. B to C, like a consumer brand, you can't beat Atlanta. We've got Coca-Cola, Home Depot, UPS, Delta Airlines, Chick-fil-A, like top, top brands are all right there …”
The other half of the tape: Ben Chestnut's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 31 times in 11 episodes across the shows. 3 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →
Who brings them up most Jason Lemkin 21Tina Roth-Eisenberg 5Lindsey Steinberg 3Harry Stebbings 1Brian Halligan 1
Statements about Ben Chestnut, by other people (3)
Lemkin: Mailchimp suffered a failed year-long M&A deal before Intuit sale
“They sold MailChimp to twelve billion to Intuit. There are actually a lot of learnings, but one is they had a deal before that, that fell apart and it almost destroyed the team. He said, going to your point, it really resonated almost destroyed the team. They …”
Hoffman: Ben Chestnut built Mailchimp to $600M revenue without outside funding
“Ben built a company around a strong, simple service and a quirky brand that sees annual revenue of six hundred million dollars, and he never raised a dollar of outside funding.”
MailChimp co-founder Ben Chestnut offered to sponsor CreativeMornings four months in
“Four months into launching. So apparently he read my blog and he emailed me and says, hey, my team, like literally, It said my team would poop their pants if they saw us team up. So can I support you? And I remember sitting there going, I don't know. And I jus…”
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| HOW I BUILT THISLEDGER | Co-founder & Former CEO, Mailchimp | 2 | 42 | 56% 5/9 | full record on How I Built This → |
| SAASTRLEDGER | Co-founder & Former CEO, Mailchimp | 2 | 32 | 50% 3/6 | full record on the Official SaaStr Podcast → |
| 20VCLEDGER | Co-founder & Former CEO, Mailchimp | 1 | 15 | 33% 1/3 | full record on 20VC → |
 MASTERS OF SCALELEDGER | Co-founder & Former CEO, Mailchimp | 1 +1 | 6 | 0% 0/1 | full record on Masters of Scale → |