Stock Based Compensation
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15 statements about Stock Based Compensation, every show
AppLovin Issues Roughly $300M in Stock-Based Compensation Annually
“So, we, we've given roughly the same amount of stock every year in terms of absolute amount. It's roughly three hundred million dollars.”
Chamath: Tech companies burn free cash flow fighting stock-based comp dilution
“And so I kind of think like at some point the next shoe will drop and all of these tech companies have to really look at stock based comp because they literally incinerate most, if not all of their free cash flow fighting the dilution from stock based compensa…”
Diller: Cash payouts beat stock-based compensation for developed corporate enterprises
“For developed enterprises, it's not the best route. The best route is, to me, a much simpler one. If you create value working in a project, or you create value to whatever degree you create it, You should share in that value on a cash basis, meaning any time p…”
Casey: Adjusted EBITDA is a bogus metric that ignores real stock comp expense
“But it's such a bogus metric. You know, the stock-based compensation, which is ignored in that metric, that's a real expense. And you all know it's a real expense, because if you weren't allowed to use stock-based comp, you'd have to pay cash comp, ok?”
Casey: Hyping stock over-compensates current hires at future employees' expense
“Some companies sort of like hype up their stock, and I feel like that's a mistake because what you do if you have a lot of stock-based comp is you're basically pulling forward the compensation that was going to go to all the people you're about to hire, And yo…”
Mylod: Ignoring stock compensation caused 15 years of runaway tech pay
“And for a tech company, oftentimes stock-based compensation happens to be the single largest expense component of a tech company.
And yet somehow inexplicably, even though it's the largest single expense component of that company it is not considered to be eve…”
Gerstner: Pro-forming out equity compensation leads to severe resource misallocation
“When you don't, when you proforma something out, right, when you stop treating it like cash, right, it leads to a misallocation of resources because you're effectively saying this doesn't exist, and when you know, what happens when the cost of something disapp…”
Gerstner: Only 10 of 50 tech companies keep SBC under 20% FCF
“On a chart of maybe 40 or 50 names, we have maybe 10 names that are under 20% of their free cash flow as a percentage of stock-based compensation.”
Mylod: Sinking 35% of free cash flow into SBC destroys company value
“If you dilute free cash flow by 30 to 35% every single year for 20 years, guess what? Your dilution is 35%, you know. It's not a half of, it's not 50 basis points, it's not one percent, it's not two percent, it's literally, you know, a third of the company.”
Chamath: Replacing human software engineers with AI bots will reduce SBC to zero
“If you replace humans with bots, which is what this is, you're going to crush those things. SBC at the limit goes to zero because you don't have to give stock to a bot, right?”
Friedberg: Snap paid employees 40x its 2023 free cash flow in stock comp
“They paid employees 40 times the free cash flow that was generated for shareholders during the year, which is also equivalent to 10% of the enterprise market value of this company.”
Gerstner: Stock-based compensation is the greatest grift in Silicon Valley history
“100%. This has been the greatest grift in the history of Silicon Valley for sure.”
Gerstner: Coinbase reported stock-based compensation equal to 70% of revenue
“Coinbase, I think just reported SBC, which Hold your hat, Saks, was 70% of revenue. Not 70% of their earnings. 70% of their revenue.”
Friedberg: Zendesk generates cash but dilutes shareholders 2.5% yearly via stock comp
“So this company's been making money every quarter. They generate cash. But in the last quarter, they issued sixty million dollars in stock to employees to compensate them for the work that they do. So that's two hundred and fifty million roughly of dollars per…”
Gerstner: Stock compensation requests dominate Silicon Valley boardroom discussions
“And so what's, I think the single biggest conversation going on in boardrooms in Silicon Valley today is, hey, can we have a little bit more stock this year, whether it's options or whether it's outright RSUs, to give to employees, because if we don't give it …”