REIT
topic on 5 shows · 16 statements across 11 episodes
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16 statements about REIT, every show
Boucai: Dot-com tech boom drove REITs to steep NAV discounts
“REITs would be trading at a significant discount to NAV because people were selling public real estate stocks to buy the technology stocks. Conversely, those stocks did better when the technology stocks blew up.”
Khoury: In 1999 REITs Traded at 20–25% Discounts to Private Value
“REITs were the antithesis of what anybody wanted to own. So the most impactful thing that I learned at Lazard, having been the grunt guy, running all the models in advance of the CEOs coming in to complain to my managing director why their stocks all traded at…”
Khoury: REITs total under $1.5T; Long Pond tracks 325 companies
“REITs are just under a trillion and a half, and the non-REIT side is actually larger than that. The companies are generally much bigger. In aggregate, we cover about 325 companies in our coverage model.”
Khoury: REITs Trading at 125% of Net Asset Value Is Now Normal
“If a REIT traded at 125% of NAV, That was Wall Street Journal News. Today, it's the norm.”
Khoury: Real Estate Is the Only S&P Sector Down Since 2022
“You're talking to somebody who's investing in the only GIC sector in the S&P that's still materially down since 22. The GIC and REITs is down almost 20%, while the S&P is up 40. We've now, since the beginning of 22, underperformed the S&P by 60%. I believe the…”
Ripley: Sector Selection in Real Estate Outweighed Individual REIT Picking
“If you looked at public markets to make this a simple comparison, the decision to invest in data centers over retail real estate was dramatically more impactful than the decision of which REIT you bought within that structure.”
Direct real estate investment provides superior transparency to REITs and blind funds
“If you're looking to get into real estate, I think having a relationship with a group like ours where you're actually directly invested in assets as opposed to something like a REIT or a blind fund or whatever that you don't have any visibility into is, is pow…”
Wander created the first-ever vacation rental REIT
“We, like, the first vacation rental REIT to ever exist, it was exceptionally well done.”
Razack: Commercial Fractional Ownership Is Very Difficult to Manage Compared to REITs
“If there was no REIT, that was the only way if anybody could participate in commercial real estate. But I would say with the REIT in place, this fractional ownership is very difficult to manage.”
Razack: Bringing Retail Investors Into REITs Will Drive Higher REIT Valuations
“I think in the long term, best is to do a read structure, educate people like Karan said, And allow them to invest in the REIT instead of institutions. Get the retail investors into it. It'll be a win-win. In fact, your REIT value will be much higher.”
Virwani: Single-Asset Fractional Real Estate Carries High Concentration Risk Compared to REITs
“I wouldn't because you're still then limited to one asset versus in a, in an actual REIT. You know, I'm distributed across geographies.”
Public REITs Transform Illiquid Physical Real Estate Into Predictable, Liquid Assets
“The simple genius of public REITs is that they turn brick and mortar into transparent and predictable liquid assets.”
Van Vleet: Public REITs and convertibles act as equity, not real estate or bonds
“Public REITs are not real estate. On any given day, it's equity. And convertible bonds, surprise, surprise, are not bonds. It's equity. And it's fine. You know, convert, convertible bond is a .8 S&P and a REIT is a .9 S&P and high yield is, we call it a .4 S&P…”
Duke: Investors should not stray outside core competency without new models or hires
“If you have competencies in a particular type of investing, just straying out of that category is just a really bad idea. If you specialize in REITs, you probably shouldn't be straying out of that unless you have a secondary stream, right? Unless you like hire…”
Marshall: Over-diversified private real estate only provides expensive beta
“What we're getting is, yes, we're getting beta, but we could get cheaper beta buying a REIT, for God's sakes, people.”
Blitz: Real estate offers high alpha due to limited security-level scrutiny
“A sector like real estate is sort of a boring sector, right? There's not that many people who are looking security by security and saying, you know, here's the characteristics of REIT A versus REIT B, right? It's not a particularly exciting area, but it's one …”