NeXT

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FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Apple Sued Steve Jobs for Poaching Co-Founders to Start NeXT
“And so he winds up poaching his co-founders. I think there's like four or five co-founders of next directly from Apple. This causes Apple to sue Steve jobs.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 3:53 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Insight
Steve Jobs Respected Colleagues Who Actively Pushed Back Against Him
“Steve respected talented people who could fight. You had to be willing to push back against Steve. Your ideas would only survive if you could evangelize them and convince all the smart people around that this was the best option.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 6:38 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Paul Rand Charged Steve Jobs $100,000 For One NeXT Logo Option
“When Steve spoke to Paul for the first time, he asked if Paul could present him with a few options for Next logo. No, Paul said, I will solve your problem and you will pay me. Paul's price, a 100,000 dollars, whether or not Next ended up using the logo. It was…”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 9:07 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Opinion
Excess Capital Caused Steve Jobs to Abandon Cost Discipline at NeXT
“Steve had too much money. He had too much personal money, and he got way too much money from his investors, and so he stopped watching his costs.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 9:29 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Insight
Paul Rand to Steve Jobs: Before Launch, You Are the Product
“Between now and when you have a product, you are the product, my friend, and so you better be nice to people.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 13:07 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Ross Perot Invested $20 Million in NeXT For a 16% Stake
“Ross is going to put twenty million dollars into next for a 16% stake in the company. He becomes the company's largest outside shareholder. But as one prerequisite of the deal is that Steve has to have more skin in the game. So he asked Steve to put in another…”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 16:53 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Jobs and Perot Struck Secret Side Deal to Sell NeXT Hardware
“Steven Ross has struck a second secret deal. It would never appear in any press release or regulatory filing. They didn't even write the terms down to sell the next computer. Ross was willing to mobilize his high level government networks and his sales force f…”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 17:07 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Insight
Steve Jobs: A Company's Primary Competition Is Its Own Execution
“The most important thing you're competing with is not another company, but it is your own ability to execute.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 18:39 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Partly supported
Steve Jobs Fired NeXT Manufacturing VP to Cover His Own Indecision
“When Nexus factory schedule, inevitably slipped rather than blaming his own indecision. Steve took out his frustration on Linda, and he fired her, and the entire company gets stuck in this loop for months and years.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 19:15 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
NeXT Burned $1 Million Per Month Before Generating Revenue
“His company's burning through a million dollars a month.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 21:56 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Partly supported
IBM agreed to $60 million licensing deal with NeXT
“IBM agreed to Thirty million dollars on signing the contract and another thirty million dollars on shipping and then royalties on every copy they ship. A total investment of sixty million, which is three times how much Ross Perot put in and a windfall that bro…”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 22:18 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
NeXT Shipped Only 205 Computers By the End of 1988
“In November, the first cubes finally shipped by the end of the year. Next had shipped a measly 205 computers.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 25:26 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Canon Invested $100 Million in NeXT For 16.67% Stake
“And so he convinces Canon to put a hundred million dollars into next in return for their a hundred million dollars. They get 16.67% stake in the company.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 29:31 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Steve Jobs Learned Never to Overplay His Hand From IBM Deal
“Years later, he confided in Pixar co-founder Ed Catmull That he had learned a lesson from the collapse of the IBM deal. Never overplay your hand.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 33:55 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Insight
Excess Funding Drove NeXT to Buy Floating Staircases and $10,000 Chairs
“When you have too much money, you just don't have that hunger. And you start spending money on floating staircases and 10,000 dollar chairs.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 35:33 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
NeXT Team Used Channel Stuffing to Inflate Sales Figures to Jobs
“The team reported sales figures by determining the number of units given to distributors, not sales to final customers. Distributors didn't have to pay right away. They got the machines on credit. Next then immediately counted these as sales, even though no mo…”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 36:36 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Canon provided NeXT an emergency $40M investment to prevent bankruptcy
“Cannon agreed to give them another forty million dollars.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 37:46 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Partly supported
Jobs Threatened to Shut NeXT Unless Canon Bought Hardware Division
“And by this time, they'd already poured a hundred and forty million dollars into the company. And Steve says, if you don't deposit another check for twenty million dollars by Monday, I'm going to shut the doors. In exchange for the twenty million dollars, Cano…”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 40:29 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
NeXT Took Nine Years to Achieve First Profit of $1 Million
“That year, the company achieved its first profit of a million dollars on revenues of almost fifty million. After nine years of losses, Next was finally stepping into the black.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 42:41 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Dell's WebObjects-powered online sales grew to $3M per day
“Within a year, Dell's web objects powered online sales exploded, growing to three million dollars a day and quickly becoming the core of the company's distribution strategy.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 45:07 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Insight
Steve Jobs: With Elite Talent, the CEO Works at the Bottom
“If you don't treat talented workers right, they can go get another job in 10 minutes. So a strange thing happens, which is the sort of the hierarchy of power inverts and the CEO is actually at the bottom. So I sort of feel like I work for most of these people …”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 47:20 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Steve Jobs Opened Apple Acquisition Negotiation at $500 Million
“Steve opened, offering the company at 12 dollars a share, which would have made the total acquisition price five hundred million dollars.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 51:38 Steve Jobs in Exile
FOUNDERS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Apple's Acquisition Pricing Negotiation With Steve Jobs Took Five Minutes
“The whole pricing discussion took five minutes.”
David Senra Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 52:12 Steve Jobs in Exile
SOURCERY Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Katzenberg offered Steve Jobs $50M to buy Pixar, but Jobs refused
“Then I went and tried to buy the company from Steve Jobs for fifty million dollars, which is at a point in time when he was struggling with Next and actually was kind of financially stretched. He wouldn't sell it. And then made that three picture deal that tur…”
Jeffrey Katzenberg Dec 29, 2025 ▶ 11:32 Jeffrey Katzenberg's $2.8 Billion Fund · Sourcery with Molly O'Shea
FOUNDERS Insight
Jobs: Turning doers into managers degrades product quality and schedules
“I believe that if we turn ourselves into managers instead of doers, both our schedule and the greatness of our product will suffer. Let's not let this happen. It is better to have fewer people, even if it means doing less.”
David Senra Aug 14, 2025 ▶ 46:30 Steve Jobs In His Own Words (Make Something Wonderful)
FOUNDERS Insight
The best hires will not always listen to leadership in key moments
“So this is one of those cases where you hire the right people. They don't always listen to you in key moments in time.”
David Senra Aug 14, 2025 ▶ 1:15:21 Steve Jobs In His Own Words (Make Something Wonderful)
INVEST LIKE THE BEST Assertion Partly supported
Apple effectively paid $500M to acquire NeXT just to rehire Steve Jobs
“Did Apple really need Next? No, they needed Steve Jobs. So they paid five, they paid half a billion dollars to rehire the guy they shouldn't, that they needed, and he produced, you know, whatever return on that money.”
David Senra May 6, 2025 ▶ 59:41 The Obsession That Creates Enduring Companies | David Senra Interview · Invest Like The Best
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Steve Jobs Hired an Interior Designer as NeXT's 9th or 10th Employee
“Steve Jobs, one of the ninth employee, if I remember correctly, ninth or 10th employee at Next was an interior designer for the office.”
David Senra May 2, 2024 ▶ 51:05 The Biography of George Lucas
FOUNDERS Assertion Contradicted
Senra: NeXT's entire founding team except Steve Jobs resigned within six years
“Within six years of Nex's launch, the entire founding team, other than Steve, had resigned”
David Senra Mar 14, 2024 ▶ 41:52 Steve Jobs (Make Something Wonderful)
FOUNDERS Insight
Jobs: Better to have fewer people even if doing less
“It is better to have fewer people, even if it means doing less.”
David Senra Mar 14, 2024 ▶ 44:48 Steve Jobs (Make Something Wonderful)
FOUNDERS Opinion
Senra: Apple buying NeXT to rehire Steve Jobs was the ultimate bargain
“They paid half a billion dollars essentially to rehire Steve Jobs, and it was the bargain of the century.”
David Senra Dec 15, 2023 ▶ 25:39 Paul Graham's Essays Part III
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
Fitzpatrick: O'Connor was a beta test site for Steve Jobs's NeXT
“They were actually a beta test site for Steve Jobs Next, because they were one of the first trading kind of franchises to really embrace technology and compute power.”
Dawn Fitzpatrick Nov 4, 2019 ▶ 8:00 Dawn Fitzpatrick – Multi-Faceted Investing at Soros Fund Management (Capital Allocators, EP.112)
a16z Assertion Partly supported
Levy: Jobs had four hardware marketplace failures before Pixar
“Steve had had a series of failures leading up to Pixar. Before he left Apple, there was the Apple Leaser, and there was the Apple Macintosh. After he left Apple, there was the Pixar imaging computer, and then there was the next computer. So those were four pie…”
Lawrence Levy Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 12:25 a16z Podcast | The Business of Creativity -- Pixar CFO, IPO, and Beyond!

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