Formal Verification

topic on 4 shows · 8 statements across 6 episodes

Latent Space No Priors the MAD Podcast the a16z Podcast

8 statements about Formal Verification, every show

LATENT SPACE Assertion Not checkable as stated
Fredrikson: Amazon excels at deploying formal software verification, Microsoft in research
“Microsoft historically has been pretty good about it too. More on the research side, Amazon is, is stellar and actually deploying a lot of this.”
Matt Fredrikson Jun 22, 2026 ▶ 42:52 AI Security After Codex and Claude Code — Zico Kolter & Matt Fredrikson, Gray Swan
Fredrikson: Formal software verification takes 10 to 20 times longer than Python
“The reason people don't do it is that it's not easy and it's not fun, right? It takes you like 10 or 20 times as long to like fight with the type checker, which is essentially like proving that you don't have a vulnerability as if, as it would if you just like…”
Matt Fredrikson Jun 22, 2026 ▶ 43:10 AI Security After Codex and Claude Code — Zico Kolter & Matt Fredrikson, Gray Swan
Hong: Formal verification in AI is about scaling superintelligence, not bug fixes
“It is not about, like, formal verification or verified AI to us. It's not just about handling or, like, kicking out the lousiness, the hallucinations, the mistakes. It's about scaling brilliance. It's about super intelligence.”
Carina Hong Jun 3, 2026 ▶ 13:02 Scaling Past Informal AI - Carina Hong, Axiom Math
Hong: Formal verification TAM covers all AI-generated code, not niche applications
“No, that's not the TEM. The TEM is all code. The TEM is a right of first refusal on all AI-generated code. Like, right of first refusal, meaning, you know, you get to choose whether you want to verify it.”
Carina Hong Jun 3, 2026 ▶ 13:39 Scaling Past Informal AI - Carina Hong, Axiom Math
MAD Opinion
Formal verification is crucial for AI self-improvement, but not a silver bullet
“In my opinion, formal verification is one of the most powerful like keys to enable like self-improvement, but it's not beaky.”
Mostafa Dehghani Apr 2, 2026 ▶ 12:52 AI is Already Building AI — Google DeepMind’s Mostafa Dehghani
a16z Assertion Supported
Balaji Srinivasan: Formal verification is commercially viable for smart contracts
“Right now, now formal, formal verification, at least for a subset of programs has become commercially viable for smart contracts because they're so high value and they're so small that they actually are, it's worth doing that on.”
Balaji Srinivasan Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 36:40 Balaji Srinivasan: How AI Will Change Politics, War, and Money
NO PRIORS Assertion Supported
Sartran: Formal code verification remains bottlenecked by human proof-writing
“So it's already done for very critical domain, like avionics cryptography where it's very important, but it has to be done by humans.”
Laurent Sartran Nov 14, 2024 ▶ 21:00 No Priors Ep. 90 | With Google's DeepMind's AlphaProof Team
a16z Prediction Not checkable as stated
Benet: Formal verification will soon eliminate costly smart contract bugs
“I would say, in the short term, things like formal verification coming to smart contracts, so we don't have single line bugs that lock up hundreds of millions of dollars.”
Juan Benet Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 20:14 a16z Podcast | Trends in Cryptocurrencies

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