formal verification

4 statements across 2 episodes · 3 bullish · 0 bearish · 2 people on the record · first statement Jun 3, 2026 by Carina Hong · across every show →

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Jun 3, 2026 bullish
Opinion
Hong: Formal verification TAM covers all AI-generated code, not niche applications
“No, that's not the TEM. The TEM is all code. The TEM is a right of first refusal on all AI-generated code. Like, right of first refusal, meaning, you know, you get to choose whether you want to verify it.”
Carina Hong Jun 3, 2026 ▶ 13:39 Scaling Past Informal AI - Carina Hong, Axiom Math
Jun 3, 2026 positive
Insight
Hong: Formal verification in AI is about scaling superintelligence, not bug fixes
“It is not about, like, formal verification or verified AI to us. It's not just about handling or, like, kicking out the lousiness, the hallucinations, the mistakes. It's about scaling brilliance. It's about super intelligence.”
Carina Hong Jun 3, 2026 ▶ 13:02 Scaling Past Informal AI - Carina Hong, Axiom Math
Jun 22, 2026 neutral
Insight
Fredrikson: Formal software verification takes 10 to 20 times longer than Python
“The reason people don't do it is that it's not easy and it's not fun, right? It takes you like 10 or 20 times as long to like fight with the type checker, which is essentially like proving that you don't have a vulnerability as if, as it would if you just like…”
Matt Fredrikson Jun 22, 2026 ▶ 43:10 AI Security After Codex and Claude Code — Zico Kolter & Matt Fredrikson, Gray Swan
Jun 22, 2026 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Fredrikson: Amazon excels at deploying formal software verification, Microsoft in research
“Microsoft historically has been pretty good about it too. More on the research side, Amazon is, is stellar and actually deploying a lot of this.”
Matt Fredrikson Jun 22, 2026 ▶ 42:52 AI Security After Codex and Claude Code — Zico Kolter & Matt Fredrikson, Gray Swan
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