Daniel Ek
Founder & Executive Chairman, Spotify · 2 appearances on the record.
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Ek co-founded Spotify in 2006 alongside Martin Lorentzon, building it into the world's leading audio and podcast streaming platform. Beyond Spotify, he co-founded the European investment firm Prima Materia and healthtech company Neko Health, and serves as chairman of AI defense firm Helsing.
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Ek: Spotify critics mistake increased creator competition for a broken business model
“But there's also more competition, which is, I think when people are talking about Spotify and criticizing it, that's the part I think is the biggest misconception. Because they hear so many, many people who are trying and it doesn't work where they're not mak…”
Ek: Spotify's internal motto is 'talk is cheap' to prioritize deliberation
“So the internal saying that Spotify is talk is cheap. Because we want to be really deliberate about what it is we're doing and how we're doing it.”
Ek: Top-down initiatives fail; Spotify scales bottom-up organic user behavior
“What's so amazing with the platform is every time we try to do something deliberate sort of top down, it's sort of fail. And most of the time, actually, what we see is the inflings of something already existing on the platform and then growing from there.”
Ek: All media business models across all formats must move to freemium
“All media models ought to move to freemium. It's as someone who's Been saying that for 15 years. I obviously agree with him there, but I think that's true in all formats, right?”
Ek: Launching internet startups globally on day one is 99.9% wrong
“We all believe that these like sort of internet companies that go global day one, that's like the right approach. I actually think. 99.9%. This is just untrue and false. The entrepreneurs have to revise. We all, all are benefited from constraining ourselves To…”
Ek: Taylor Swift probably could not reach number one without streaming platforms
“Do I think she could have reached number one at that point without streaming? Probably not would have been the answer.”
Ek: AI will drastically lower the software barriers to music composition
“From there on to actually compose something, getting into the ID of the workflows, the plugins, all that kind of concepts, it's quite a lot to master. And I think that's the potential power with something like AI, obviously.”
Daniel Ek: Generative AI will wipe out the creative middle tier
“So my view is you're going to see both extremes. You're going to see the middle getting wiped out. More people participate, but the very, very top is probably going to increase in value as well.”
Ek: Pure content monetization is becoming auxiliary revenue for modern creators
“In addition to that, just monetizing the content in itself is probably becoming an auxiliary revenue sources around them. Three 60, very similar again to mom and pop shops, like where you could do live events. You could be doing merchandising. You could build …”
Ek: The era of artists living solely off recorded music was short
“There was a point in time where the majority of the revenue could be derived from recording music. But the challenge to that, what I would say is that the time in history where that was true was actually very, very short, right?”
Daniel Ek: Mark Zuckerberg is the best learner I have ever seen
“Specifically from him you know, he's the, probably the best learner I've ever seen. You know, you can have a conversation with him about a topic, he may not know very much about it, and then the next time, he would know more than, I would say, most experts abo…”
Ek: High usage despite terrible UX proves strong underlying product demand
“So when your product is being used in spite of it actually being a pretty terrible experience, you kind of know you've got something.”
Ek: Spotify would have died if it launched in the US first
“I can tell you definitively Spotify would not have been alive today had it not been that we Couldn't launch in the US as our first market, huh?”
Ek: Spotify's AI DJ feature will eventually outdo Discover Weekly
“Yes. And I think it'll even outdo Discover Weekly.”
Ek: Over 150 million people listen to podcasts on Spotify
“And today there's over a hundred and fifty million people listening to podcast on Spotify.”
Ek: German labels hacking Spotify to upload audiobooks prompted podcast expansion
“What happened in Germany is all the record companies started uploading audiobooks to the service. So they started hacking the system for all these other things, and when they ran out of that, they actually started uploading podcasts.”
Ek: Younger Consumers Care About Creator Presence Over Format Boundaries
“But I think younger consumers, especially, they don't know what the difference is. They just want to feel closer presence to the person.”
Ek: Social music works via shared co-listening, not passive friend-watching
“While I still think music is very social, I think what we got wrong in the product was this sort of notion that just seeing sort of what all of your friends are listening to may not be the sort of right social product. But if you instead sort of say like, I wa…”
Ek: Zuckerberg runs productive product review meetings with 15 to 20 people
“Mark, the average meeting he has is like 15 to 20 people in the room and how you make you know, a product review or discussion productive with 15 and 20 people still get people to be heard. Like he's very, very good at that stuff.”
Ek: German music labels uploaded audiobooks onto Spotify using catalog rights
“For instance, in Germany, unbeknownst to us, but one of the sort of crazy things that ended up happening was just people started uploading audio books because it turns out that these music labels actually own a bunch of audio book rights.”
Ek: Early skepticism of new concepts shifts directly into hindsight obviousness
“What I often tell other entrepreneurs is like, well the fact that people doubt you in the beginning, you kind of need to pay attention to that and hear what valid concerns they may have. But a bunch of that is just, like, they're not used to the concept and it…”
Ek: Audiobooks and podcasts differ by business model, not production format
“But the better way to think about audio books and podcasting is it's really around a business model mostly. So one way to frame it instead would be Podcasting is ad supported audio and audiobooks is paid audio.”
Ek: Global audiobook listenership will expand to hundreds of millions
“Our view is we eventually think audiobooks should be much, much larger than what it is today. Hundreds of millions of people who are actually listening to audiobooks because the content is great, rather than today what's tens of millions of people.”
The other half of the tape: Daniel Ek's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 19 times in 7 episodes on Acquired. 3 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →
Who brings them up most Ben Gilbert 9David Rosenthal 7Dara Khosrowshahi 2
Statements about Daniel Ek, by other people (3)
Gilbert: Munger and Huang were Acquired's biggest episodes ever
“Charlie and Margaret was by far our biggest episode ever. Jensen was bigger than any previous season episode. Dara and Daniel were right around the ballpark of what our season episodes were doing at that point in time when we had interviewed them.”
Daniel Ek referred Khosrowshahi for the Uber CEO role
“And then I was at the Sun Valley Conference, the Allen & Company Sun Valley Conference. And having drinks with Daniel Leck. And he's like, Dara, you know, did you get the call from a headhunter about the Uber job? I think you'd be perfect for the job. And I di…”
Taylor Swift Enjoys True Switching Costs Because She Is Irreplaceable
“I think definitionally she also has switching costs because the CEO of Spotify, when she was not on Spotify, was flying to the US to negotiate for her to get back on. Clearly You can't substitute a replacement and have equal value.”
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Appearances (2)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Acquired LIVE from Chase Center (with Daniel Ek, Emily Chang, Jensen Huang and Mark Zucker | Sep 30, 2024 | 15m |
| Spotify CEO Daniel Ek · Acquired | May 18, 2023 | 1h 0m |