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Ek: Spotify critics mistake increased creator competition for a broken business model
“But there's also more competition, which is, I think when people are talking about Spotify and criticizing it, that's the part I think is the biggest misconception. Because they hear so many, many people who are trying and it doesn't work where they're not mak…”
Ek: Spotify's internal motto is 'talk is cheap' to prioritize deliberation
“So the internal saying that Spotify is talk is cheap. Because we want to be really deliberate about what it is we're doing and how we're doing it.”
Ek: Top-down initiatives fail; Spotify scales bottom-up organic user behavior
“What's so amazing with the platform is every time we try to do something deliberate sort of top down, it's sort of fail. And most of the time, actually, what we see is the inflings of something already existing on the platform and then growing from there.”
Ek: All media business models across all formats must move to freemium
“All media models ought to move to freemium. It's as someone who's Been saying that for 15 years. I obviously agree with him there, but I think that's true in all formats, right?”
Ek: Launching internet startups globally on day one is 99.9% wrong
“We all believe that these like sort of internet companies that go global day one, that's like the right approach. I actually think. 99.9%. This is just untrue and false. The entrepreneurs have to revise. We all, all are benefited from constraining ourselves To…”
Ek: Taylor Swift probably could not reach number one without streaming platforms
“Do I think she could have reached number one at that point without streaming? Probably not would have been the answer.”
Ek: AI will drastically lower the software barriers to music composition
“From there on to actually compose something, getting into the ID of the workflows, the plugins, all that kind of concepts, it's quite a lot to master. And I think that's the potential power with something like AI, obviously.”
Daniel Ek: Generative AI will wipe out the creative middle tier
“So my view is you're going to see both extremes. You're going to see the middle getting wiped out. More people participate, but the very, very top is probably going to increase in value as well.”
Ek: Pure content monetization is becoming auxiliary revenue for modern creators
“In addition to that, just monetizing the content in itself is probably becoming an auxiliary revenue sources around them. Three 60, very similar again to mom and pop shops, like where you could do live events. You could be doing merchandising. You could build …”
Ek: The era of artists living solely off recorded music was short
“There was a point in time where the majority of the revenue could be derived from recording music. But the challenge to that, what I would say is that the time in history where that was true was actually very, very short, right?”
Daniel Ek: Mark Zuckerberg is the best learner I have ever seen
“Specifically from him you know, he's the, probably the best learner I've ever seen. You know, you can have a conversation with him about a topic, he may not know very much about it, and then the next time, he would know more than, I would say, most experts abo…”
Ek: High usage despite terrible UX proves strong underlying product demand
“So when your product is being used in spite of it actually being a pretty terrible experience, you kind of know you've got something.”
Ek: Spotify would have died if it launched in the US first
“I can tell you definitively Spotify would not have been alive today had it not been that we Couldn't launch in the US as our first market, huh?”
Ek: Spotify's AI DJ feature will eventually outdo Discover Weekly
“Yes. And I think it'll even outdo Discover Weekly.”
Ek: Over 150 million people listen to podcasts on Spotify
“And today there's over a hundred and fifty million people listening to podcast on Spotify.”
Ek: German labels hacking Spotify to upload audiobooks prompted podcast expansion
“What happened in Germany is all the record companies started uploading audiobooks to the service. So they started hacking the system for all these other things, and when they ran out of that, they actually started uploading podcasts.”
Ek: Younger Consumers Care About Creator Presence Over Format Boundaries
“But I think younger consumers, especially, they don't know what the difference is. They just want to feel closer presence to the person.”
Ek: Social music works via shared co-listening, not passive friend-watching
“While I still think music is very social, I think what we got wrong in the product was this sort of notion that just seeing sort of what all of your friends are listening to may not be the sort of right social product. But if you instead sort of say like, I wa…”
Ek: Zuckerberg runs productive product review meetings with 15 to 20 people
“Mark, the average meeting he has is like 15 to 20 people in the room and how you make you know, a product review or discussion productive with 15 and 20 people still get people to be heard. Like he's very, very good at that stuff.”
Ek: German music labels uploaded audiobooks onto Spotify using catalog rights
“For instance, in Germany, unbeknownst to us, but one of the sort of crazy things that ended up happening was just people started uploading audio books because it turns out that these music labels actually own a bunch of audio book rights.”
Ek: Early skepticism of new concepts shifts directly into hindsight obviousness
“What I often tell other entrepreneurs is like, well the fact that people doubt you in the beginning, you kind of need to pay attention to that and hear what valid concerns they may have. But a bunch of that is just, like, they're not used to the concept and it…”
Ek: Audiobooks and podcasts differ by business model, not production format
“But the better way to think about audio books and podcasting is it's really around a business model mostly. So one way to frame it instead would be Podcasting is ad supported audio and audiobooks is paid audio.”
Ek: Global audiobook listenership will expand to hundreds of millions
“Our view is we eventually think audiobooks should be much, much larger than what it is today. Hundreds of millions of people who are actually listening to audiobooks because the content is great, rather than today what's tens of millions of people.”
Ek: Podcaster ad monetization is a huge priority for Spotify
“One of the big things right now is obviously this is a huge thing, perhaps even more so than music for us to offer monetization to a lot of these podcasters that perhaps unlike yourself can't sell ads.”
Ek: Cross-platform attribution is a major creator economy problem
“I believe one of the biggest problems we have in this new creator economy is is the one of attribution, right? So, you know many creators like you have or try many of these different platforms and use it, but you know, and they can see on each individual platf…”
Ek: Music merchandising differs from podcasts because songs are evaluated in 15 seconds
“Fundamentally how we merchandise content has to be very different for music than it is for an audio book or a podcast. And if you think about it, it's kind of logical, because in a song, it's a three minute commitment of your time. And you can actually probabl…”
Ek: Early Spotify required eight word-of-mouth exposures per user signup
“In early Spotify we had eight people needed to have heard about Spotify before we were able to sign someone up. And so we realized that the geographical density in which that happened was actually a key sort of contributor and a timeline, so much of our early …”
Ek: Every successful entrepreneur survives at least three near-death company moments
“And I think every really successful entrepreneur, in my opinion, has had at least three near death experiences with their company, right? Where you just feel like, I'm not sure whether this, Thing is gonna work, not work whether we're gonna be alive tomorrow o…”
Ek: Taylor Swift uses 2 to 4 songwriters versus 200 for K-pop
“Just on the songwriting side, it's the difference between if in Taylor Swift's camp, it's like two, three, four, maybe at the top. In some Koreans, it's 200 writers involved. And that's, like, a small part. And then you have, like, everything from merchandisin…”
Ek: Spotify invested globally in reggaeton after seeing diaspora cluster breakouts
“And so, many years ago, we kind of started seeing them breaking out their natural clusters and becoming a pretty big thing, and it was, for me at that time, it was just pretty obvious that if we invested in that genre on a global basis, we thought that that wo…”
Ek: Avicii was a brilliant composer who could not play instruments
“Take someone like you know, Swedish Avicii as an example. He was a brilliant composer. He truly was. But he didn't really know how to play any instruments.”
Ek: AI-generated audio will become indistinguishable from real recordings
“It's totally possible for us to make an entire episode where We're saying totally different things than what we're saying now, and it, at some point in the future, might be virtually indistinguishable from the real thing.”
Ek: Spotify aims to win creators via flexibility, not exclusivity
“Our goal is to be the best partner of creators. No, not the only partner, but just the best and win by basically not forcing the creator to do something, but just offering a really good way for creators to work low friction, but also lots of potential to custo…”
Ek: Spotify willingly releases products before execution is crisp
“We're actually one of these companies that happily will release something out that's not great. It's probably have the right strategy, but execution isn't super crisp and perfect.”
Daniel Ek: Acquired reached over five million Spotify listening hours, tripling yearly
“On Spotify alone, you guys have now done over five million hours, and it tripled in the last year.”
Ek: Spotify had only a few million podcast listeners in 2019
“In 2019 you know, when we got into podcasts the world around podcast listening and Spotify, there was a few million people listening to this.”
Ek: Relatively simple Spotify changes could take 1-2 years to license
“In many cases, even making relatively simple changes could take one or two years for us to get licensed.”
Ek: Spotify has way north of half a billion users
“What we realized is we should use this base of what was then several hundred million people and today's way north of half a billion people and just serve them more stuff.”
Ek: Long-form podcasts allow nuanced elaboration unlike 30-second journalist interviews
“Unlike you talking to a journalist, et cetera, it's truly a conversation one, and the second part is, There's enough time to actually elaborate on the thought and the idea. Whereas you have to be so succinct in how you express your idea and truly get it across…”
Ek: I would never have founded Spotify if I knew the difficulty
“It's been a true sort of emotional rollercoaster, and it is true what you say, but like, for me, had you told me how hard this would have been, I would have never done it. I'm happy I went through it, but I would have never done it.”
Ek: Starbucks was one of the largest CD retailers in the US
“Starbucks and Howard Schultz was actually one of the biggest retailers of CDs. In the U.S.”
Ek: K-Pop entertainment companies employ internal software developers for platforms
“Not just from sort of maximizing The recorded side, but actually thinking about sort of fan development all the digital platforms, they have their own developers programmers building specific platforms.”
Daniel Ek: There are over 4 million podcasts in existence
“It's about a little bit more than double that now.”
Ek: More artists reach a billion listeners today and do so faster
“And then you think about how many artists today get to be heard by a billion people. And actually that number is way higher and it's way faster for you to do it.”
Ek: Exponential company growth is multiple stacked linear curves
“If you think about an exponential curve if you really zoom in on that exponential curve, it actually is like a lot of different linear curves. Stacked on top of each other that creates that kind of exponential curve.”
Ek: Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky dominates panel appearances and soundbite speaking
“And Brian Chesky is an example. He's like the master on it and he just switches it on and he's like so good. For some reason, he and I always ends up getting on the same panels and I'm like, it's game over even before it started.”