Jason Boehmig

Product Lead, OpenAI · 1 appearance on the record.

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Jason Boehmig is the co-founder and Executive Chairman of Ironclad, where he previously served as CEO. A former corporate attorney at Fenwick & West, he serves as Product Lead for the legal vertical at OpenAI.

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1 prediction · 3 assertions · 1 opinion · 9 insights · 2 disclosures · every statement was checked. The prediction and assertions are the 4 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 0 are resolved, 1 is not yet assessed, and 3 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Jason argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

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238 words/min while actually speaking · 0.9 um and uh per 1k words

No argument clarity score for Jason Boehmig: no usable question→answer exchanges on raw tape (a fair score needs 8+). We do not score a sample that small. Roundtable and news formats yield far fewer direct exchanges than interviews. Their coarse estimate from 29 exchanges on the produced feed is ≈4.5/5, shown at half point precision because the sample is small and produced tape scores higher.

Measured by listening to 5,439 words across 1 episode, but every recording we have of Jason Boehmig is the aired feed, and an editor cleaned that audio before release. Some of the hesitation was cut before we ever heard it, so read these as floors: the true rates are at least this high. These are measurements of speaking style, not scores. How it's measured →

How the interview went all their pushback → series average →

Across 1 rated episode:

host pushback ▾ 3/10

pushed back at the host ▾ 4/10

setup questions received 70%

host pushback: the hardest questions Harry asked, tap to play ▶ 14:31“How do you think about customer diversification? We see a lot of companies now selling to, I mean, purely almost tech Cohorts of clients. How do you think about that in regard to p…” ▶ 27:41“And then on the second is kind of conversely, what value do many founders think VCs bring that they actually don't?” ▶ 12:56“How do you balance between when you release a new product, really getting enough time for the users to really get a feel for it, really kind of experience it, but then also the bal…”

when Jason pushed back ▶ 8:18“Well, I might do the classic lawyer thing and go a little bit middle ground on that.”

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Everything Jason Boehmig said on 20VC that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Insight

Boehmig: First-time founders cannot scale to IPO without hiring superior leaders

“I honestly think it's honesty and that there is no way that any founder who has not done this three or four times before can be a competent CEO scaling from seed to C and D and eventually IPO. And I think step one is just admitting that you need to hire and wo…”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 23:04 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Insight

Boehmig: Allowing VCs to drive key business decisions means founders failed

“I think it goes back to that intellectual rigor before is a VC can't make a critical business decision for you. And it seems like a failure to me just on first principles of a VC is driving a critical business decision for you. That means you, by definition, h…”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 30:06 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Opinion

Boehmig: Legal contracts are the most important business technology ever invented

“So the contract is, I would say, the most important piece of business technology ever invented.”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 3:27 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Assertion Not checkable as stated

Boehmig: The legal profession has been in crisis for decades

“The legal profession has been in this crisis for the past couple of decades, really. And it's just getting worse year and year where you've got people that are just incredibly unhappy in the job.”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 4:33 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Prediction Not checkable as stated

Boehmig: Legal tech adoption will increase during an economic downturn

“And I'll actually say that I'm excited for a recession or a downturn, because legal is a extremely counter cyclical industry. And I think now that we've established ourselves as a market leader within our vertical, that we're going to see a lot of folks actual…”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 15:57 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Insight

Boehmig: Extending job offers without complete conviction is a mistake

“If you have an iota of doubt in the hiring process, and you feel like you could not be that disappointed if this person didn't join, anytime that we haven't gotten to complete certainty, I think is a mistake. And you should almost be heartbroken if the person …”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 20:11 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Disclosure

Boehmig: Early advisors told Ironclad not to sell to the legal vertical

“A lot of people told us to not sell to the legal vertical. You know, these people haven't bought software before. They're not going to be the base for building a game-changing technology company. It's kind of a backwater. Don't do that.”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 7:07 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Insight

Boehmig: Hyper-local geographic constraints accelerate early startup product iteration

“So that rapid iteration and actually constraining ourselves to a really small geographic area, I think, helped us move a lot faster than companies that are trying to go on a much larger scope right from the beginning.”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 10:57 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Insight

Boehmig: Early startups should lean into frustrated users to create champions

“You need to really lean in to early frustrated users because that's where you can really turn them into champions, and where you really get the best possible source of information.”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 13:58 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Insight

Boehmig: Early startup hires are sold on team dynamics over company vision

“And if we look at our second employee, it was someone that I had worked with at a previous job, and we just got along great. And that teamwork vibe was the selling point there, as opposed to even the vision of the company at that point. So super hustly and net…”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 17:29 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Insight

Boehmig: Treat VC board member selection like hiring key team members

“I really look at our board members as Being parts of the team and putting just as much effort into hiring them as we do with a normal team member.”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 26:05 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Insight

Boehmig: A VC's unwillingness to make customer intros is a bad sign

“So I think that's a really great place to start is just a few customer intros. It really doesn't hurt anyone to make those. And it's a bad sign if your potential investor isn't willing to make them.”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 29:01 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Assertion Not publicly verifiable

Boehmig: Ironclad's sixth hire rose from data entry to head of support

“When we look at employee six, who joined right after Toby, doesn't have a college degree, started doing data entry for us for, I think, 10 bucks an hour, and was so thoughtful and humble and motivated and competent at doing that, that we just kept giving her m…”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 19:19 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Insight

Boehmig: Reducing complex legal work to checklists maximizes impact

“If you can reduce routine work to a simple checklist and do the same thing each and every time, it's one of the best ways to have an impact in anything from surgical outcomes to legal transactions. And so what ironclad does is actually puts a checklist for eac…”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 35:25 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Assertion Not checkable as stated

Boehmig: How to build a CEO leadership style as an introverted founder

“This is part of my own personal journey as a CEO is I don't think I'm a typical CEO. I'm kind of an introvert. I'm almost a little shy in many ways. And I don't think that I fit the classic mold of a CEO, but I've looked at other CEOs and I've been able to tak…”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 8:50 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

Disclosure

Boehmig: Ironclad initially aimed to be the top contract platform in SoMa

“And so we actually set up with this goal to become the number one contract platform in Soma. And that was all we cared about. We just wanted to be the number one contract platform in Soma.”

Jason Boehmig Oct 4, 2019 ▶ 10:21 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring

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