Jul 13, 2017 · 27m · top-founders

719: Question Based Advertising is The Future, $40M In Sales Doesn't Lie!

Stefan Goss · 13m spoken Nathan Latka · 11m spoken Podcast Intro Snippet · 3s spoken
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Entrepreneur Stefan Goss breaks down how he scaled samples.com to $40 million in revenue and leveraged those profits to build Zito, an ad-tech platform transforming publisher monetization through high-CPM, question-based lead qualification.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 44.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.7 Guest teaching 2.9 Guest disagreement 1.3 Nathan pushing back 2.7
05100:0010:0020:001:05–4:56 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Introducing Stefan Goss and Purchasing Samples.com Nathan presses Stefan hard right away on the exact purchase price of Samples.com and the underlying unit economics. Stefan playfully asks Nathan to pause the barrage of numbers so he can tell the founding story.4:56–8:32 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 The Breakthrough of Question-Based Lead Qualification Stefan details the pivotal discovery that asking a simple qualification question boosted lead payouts from $1.25 to $8. Nathan explores the demographics and ad scale, clarifying the fast cash-to-cash recovery cycle.8:34–13:08 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Samples.com Financial Performance and Funding Zito Nathan analyzes Stefan's $40M revenue and ad spend structure, then demonstrates his own deep monetization knowledge by detailing how he achieves $900 CPMs on his podcast by pricing against sponsor CAC.13:08–15:45 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Technical Complexity and Competing with Tech Giants Nathan and Stefan discuss the macro advertising ecosystem and Silicon Valley incentives. Stefan explains why non-tech publishers like legacy newspapers struggle compared to Google and Facebook's registered user data.15:46–19:27 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Rethinking Digital Publishing Paywalls and Engagement Nathan pitches an aggressive hypothetical media overhaul with bespoke quiz funnels, but Stefan pushes back, noting that custom per-article surveys create excessive friction and user fatigue compared to registration gates.19:27–23:50 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Exploring Broadcast CTAs and Custom Publisher Integrations Nathan references marketing frameworks from Ryan Levesque's 'Ask' and tool limitations in segmenting his own sponsor roster. Stefan explains how Zito's 200+ advertiser network dynamically matches user responses at scale.23:51–26:41 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Sponsor Break: Streamlining Interview Scheduling with Acuity Nathan delivers a promotional sponsor read for Acuity Scheduling and conducts the rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with friendly banter.1:05–4:56 · Guest teaching 2/10 Introducing Stefan Goss and Purchasing Samples.com Nathan presses Stefan hard right away on the exact purchase price of Samples.com and the underlying unit economics. Stefan playfully asks Nathan to pause the barrage of numbers so he can tell the founding story.4:56–8:32 · Guest teaching 4/10 The Breakthrough of Question-Based Lead Qualification Stefan details the pivotal discovery that asking a simple qualification question boosted lead payouts from $1.25 to $8. Nathan explores the demographics and ad scale, clarifying the fast cash-to-cash recovery cycle.8:34–13:08 · Guest teaching 3/10 Samples.com Financial Performance and Funding Zito Nathan analyzes Stefan's $40M revenue and ad spend structure, then demonstrates his own deep monetization knowledge by detailing how he achieves $900 CPMs on his podcast by pricing against sponsor CAC.13:08–15:45 · Guest teaching 3/10 Technical Complexity and Competing with Tech Giants Nathan and Stefan discuss the macro advertising ecosystem and Silicon Valley incentives. Stefan explains why non-tech publishers like legacy newspapers struggle compared to Google and Facebook's registered user data.15:46–19:27 · Guest teaching 4/10 Rethinking Digital Publishing Paywalls and Engagement Nathan pitches an aggressive hypothetical media overhaul with bespoke quiz funnels, but Stefan pushes back, noting that custom per-article surveys create excessive friction and user fatigue compared to registration gates.19:27–23:50 · Guest teaching 4/10 Exploring Broadcast CTAs and Custom Publisher Integrations Nathan references marketing frameworks from Ryan Levesque's 'Ask' and tool limitations in segmenting his own sponsor roster. Stefan explains how Zito's 200+ advertiser network dynamically matches user responses at scale.23:51–26:41 · Guest teaching 0/10 Sponsor Break: Streamlining Interview Scheduling with Acuity Nathan delivers a promotional sponsor read for Acuity Scheduling and conducts the rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with friendly banter.1:05–4:56 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Introducing Stefan Goss and Purchasing Samples.com Nathan presses Stefan hard right away on the exact purchase price of Samples.com and the underlying unit economics. Stefan playfully asks Nathan to pause the barrage of numbers so he can tell the founding story.4:56–8:32 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Breakthrough of Question-Based Lead Qualification Stefan details the pivotal discovery that asking a simple qualification question boosted lead payouts from $1.25 to $8. Nathan explores the demographics and ad scale, clarifying the fast cash-to-cash recovery cycle.8:34–13:08 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Samples.com Financial Performance and Funding Zito Nathan analyzes Stefan's $40M revenue and ad spend structure, then demonstrates his own deep monetization knowledge by detailing how he achieves $900 CPMs on his podcast by pricing against sponsor CAC.13:08–15:45 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Technical Complexity and Competing with Tech Giants Nathan and Stefan discuss the macro advertising ecosystem and Silicon Valley incentives. Stefan explains why non-tech publishers like legacy newspapers struggle compared to Google and Facebook's registered user data.15:46–19:27 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Rethinking Digital Publishing Paywalls and Engagement Nathan pitches an aggressive hypothetical media overhaul with bespoke quiz funnels, but Stefan pushes back, noting that custom per-article surveys create excessive friction and user fatigue compared to registration gates.19:27–23:50 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Exploring Broadcast CTAs and Custom Publisher Integrations Nathan references marketing frameworks from Ryan Levesque's 'Ask' and tool limitations in segmenting his own sponsor roster. Stefan explains how Zito's 200+ advertiser network dynamically matches user responses at scale.23:51–26:41 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sponsor Break: Streamlining Interview Scheduling with Acuity Nathan delivers a promotional sponsor read for Acuity Scheduling and conducts the rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with friendly banter.1:05–4:56 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Introducing Stefan Goss and Purchasing Samples.com Nathan presses Stefan hard right away on the exact purchase price of Samples.com and the underlying unit economics. Stefan playfully asks Nathan to pause the barrage of numbers so he can tell the founding story.4:56–8:32 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 The Breakthrough of Question-Based Lead Qualification Stefan details the pivotal discovery that asking a simple qualification question boosted lead payouts from $1.25 to $8. Nathan explores the demographics and ad scale, clarifying the fast cash-to-cash recovery cycle.8:34–13:08 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Samples.com Financial Performance and Funding Zito Nathan analyzes Stefan's $40M revenue and ad spend structure, then demonstrates his own deep monetization knowledge by detailing how he achieves $900 CPMs on his podcast by pricing against sponsor CAC.13:08–15:45 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Technical Complexity and Competing with Tech Giants Nathan and Stefan discuss the macro advertising ecosystem and Silicon Valley incentives. Stefan explains why non-tech publishers like legacy newspapers struggle compared to Google and Facebook's registered user data.15:46–19:27 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Rethinking Digital Publishing Paywalls and Engagement Nathan pitches an aggressive hypothetical media overhaul with bespoke quiz funnels, but Stefan pushes back, noting that custom per-article surveys create excessive friction and user fatigue compared to registration gates.19:27–23:50 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Exploring Broadcast CTAs and Custom Publisher Integrations Nathan references marketing frameworks from Ryan Levesque's 'Ask' and tool limitations in segmenting his own sponsor roster. Stefan explains how Zito's 200+ advertiser network dynamically matches user responses at scale.23:51–26:41 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Sponsor Break: Streamlining Interview Scheduling with Acuity Nathan delivers a promotional sponsor read for Acuity Scheduling and conducts the rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with friendly banter.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 68.6% · guest 31.4%0:00 · Nathan 68.6% · guest 31.4%3:00 · Nathan 15.2% · guest 84.8%3:00 · Nathan 15.2% · guest 84.8%6:00 · Nathan 25.8% · guest 74.2%6:00 · Nathan 25.8% · guest 74.2%9:00 · Nathan 31.9% · guest 68.1%9:00 · Nathan 31.9% · guest 68.1%12:00 · Nathan 51.2% · guest 48.8%12:00 · Nathan 51.2% · guest 48.8%15:00 · Nathan 49.7% · guest 50.3%15:00 · Nathan 49.7% · guest 50.3%18:00 · Nathan 32.9% · guest 67.1%18:00 · Nathan 32.9% · guest 67.1%21:00 · Nathan 43.4% · guest 56.6%21:00 · Nathan 43.4% · guest 56.6%24:00 · Nathan 71.4% · guest 28.6%24:00 · Nathan 71.4% · guest 28.6%27:00 · Nathan 100% · guest 0%27:00 · Nathan 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 18:15 Stefan rejects Nathan's per-article quiz funnel strategy

Stefan directly rejects Nathan's concept of custom article-level quiz funnels, arguing that users will not fill out dozens of surveys and that content alone is insufficient incentive.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 2:01 Nathan demands exact domain purchase price

Nathan refuses Stefan's vague memory regarding the acquisition price of Samples.com, pushing him until Stefan estimates mid-six figures.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:14 Stefan explains 14% demographic qualification economics

Stefan explains how simply adding a single diabetic screening question allowed them to sell targeted leads for $8 instead of $1.25 across 14% of their traffic.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 11:52 Nathan reveals his $900 effective CPM methodology

Nathan demonstrates deep media monetization expertise by revealing how he surveys audience CAC thresholds to command $900 CPMs on podcast sponsorships.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Introducing Stefan Goss and Purchasing Samples.com 6225 Nathan presses Stefan hard right away on the exact purchase price of Samples.com and the underlying unit economics. Stefan playfully asks Nathan to pause the barrage of numbers so he can tell the founding story.
The Breakthrough of Question-Based Lead Qualification 5412 Stefan details the pivotal discovery that asking a simple qualification question boosted lead payouts from $1.25 to $8. Nathan explores the demographics and ad scale, clarifying the fast cash-to-cash recovery cycle.
Samples.com Financial Performance and Funding Zito 7313 Nathan analyzes Stefan's $40M revenue and ad spend structure, then demonstrates his own deep monetization knowledge by detailing how he achieves $900 CPMs on his podcast by pricing against sponsor CAC.
Technical Complexity and Competing with Tech Giants 6312 Nathan and Stefan discuss the macro advertising ecosystem and Silicon Valley incentives. Stefan explains why non-tech publishers like legacy newspapers struggle compared to Google and Facebook's registered user data.
Rethinking Digital Publishing Paywalls and Engagement 6434 Nathan pitches an aggressive hypothetical media overhaul with bespoke quiz funnels, but Stefan pushes back, noting that custom per-article surveys create excessive friction and user fatigue compared to registration gates.
Exploring Broadcast CTAs and Custom Publisher Integrations 7412 Nathan references marketing frameworks from Ryan Levesque's 'Ask' and tool limitations in segmenting his own sponsor roster. Stefan explains how Zito's 200+ advertiser network dynamically matches user responses at scale.
Sponsor Break: Streamlining Interview Scheduling with Acuity 3001 Nathan delivers a promotional sponsor read for Acuity Scheduling and conducts the rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with friendly banter.

Statements from this episode (8)

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Goss: Samples.com domain was purchased for mid-six figures
“Six figures. I don't remember the exact number, but it was like mid six figures.”
Stefan Goss Jul 13, 2017 ▶ 2:09
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Stefan Goss: Samples.com spent $1 to make $1.25 on Facebook lead arbitrage
“So we spent like a buck and make a dollar 25.”
Stefan Goss Jul 13, 2017 ▶ 3:38
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Goss: Samples.com recovered ad spend cash within 15 minutes
“Because we can recover our cash within like 15 minutes. So the cash-to-cash cycle is crazy fast.”
Stefan Goss Jul 13, 2017 ▶ 7:13
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Goss: Samples.com gets 300K daily visitors and 100K signups
“It's 300,000 people that come to the site and roughly a 100,000 of them sign up.”
Stefan Goss Jul 13, 2017 ▶ 7:44
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Goss: Samples.com generated ~$39M with $20M-$25M ad spend in 2016
“So top line was right around 39. I think total ad spend, I would put right around like the 20 to 25 range.”
Stefan Goss Jul 13, 2017 ▶ 8:45
Disclosure
Goss: Samples.com profits funded Zito over the last two years
“So I've spent the last two years basically reinvesting that money on the Zito side.”
Stefan Goss Jul 13, 2017 ▶ 9:24
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Goss: Zito generates $400 to $2,200 CPMs versus AdSense's $5 to $20
“But so their CPMs range from five to 20 dollars. Ours range from 400 to 2200 dollars CPMs, right?”
Stefan Goss Jul 13, 2017 ▶ 11:29
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Latka: My podcast achieves an effective $900 CPM from sponsorships
“So, sponsors now, if I actually figured out what the CPM was, like, if I took my total sponsor revenue annually, And then looked at my total downloads annually. I'm cranking somewhere near, near, not as good as you, but somewhere near like a 900 dollar CPM.”
Nathan Latka Jul 13, 2017 ▶ 12:21
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