Feb 27, 2018 · 24m · top-founders

948 How Barcelona Company Grew Past 600,000 Users With Email Open Tracking

Eduardo Manchón · 13m spoken Nathan Latka · 7m spoken
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In this episode of The Top Entrepreneurs, host Nathan Latka interviews Eduardo Manchón, Chief Product Officer of MailTrack.io, examining how the Barcelona-based SaaS company scaled to 600,000 active users, 22,000 paying customers, and €1.1 million ARR through viral freemium mechanics, Chrome Web Store dominance, and minimalist UX design.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 36.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.4 Guest teaching 1.8 Guest disagreement 1.5 Nathan pushing back 2.6
05100:0010:0020:000:49–4:31 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 MailTrack Product Overview and Revenue Benchmarks Latka drills into conversion funnels and install numbers from the Chrome Web Store versus direct site visits. Manchon clarifies that Chrome store metrics fluctuate erratically, prompting them to rely strictly on internal analytics.4:31–7:11 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Psychology, Minimalist UX, and Driving User Engagement Latka investigates how MailTrack utilizes minimalistic UX and desktop pop-up notifications to re-engage users. Manchon explains their conversion funnel where users repeatedly remove the watermark manually until the friction prompts them to upgrade.7:12–10:16 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Subscription Structure, Churn Dynamics, and Habit Formation Latka questions why a simple open-tracking tool requires months to deliver value rather than providing immediate utility. Manchon explains that true retention stems from long-term habit formation and unopened email alerts.10:19–13:08 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Host Mid-Roll: Website Optimization with Hotjar Following a sponsor ad read, Latka explores MailTrack's early funding runway and equity distribution among co-founders. Manchon details how lower Spanish operational costs and public subsidies supported the initial unmonetized phase.13:09–15:56 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Word-of-Mouth Virality and Press Coverage Channels Latka probes the technical architecture of injecting JavaScript into Gmail and Google Inbox interfaces. Manchon admits he focuses on product strategy rather than deep technical engineering details.15:56–18:33 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Financial Break-Even, Operating Margins, and Infrastructure Costs Latka questions how Intercom pop-ups can display inside Gmail's web client. Manchon explains that their Chrome browser extension injects and triggers Intercom in-app messaging within the inbox environment.18:33–22:27 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Mobile Roadmap and Android Native Gmail Integration Latka challenges Manchon's claim that Boomerang is not a direct competitor by pointing out feature overlap, and later presses him on why he would decline a 3x ARR acquisition offer. Manchon pushes back, defending their unique positioning and long-term upside.22:27–23:44 · Nathan as informed peer 2/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Latka runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to clarify a minor miscommunication regarding the guest's age.0:49–4:31 · Guest teaching 2/10 MailTrack Product Overview and Revenue Benchmarks Latka drills into conversion funnels and install numbers from the Chrome Web Store versus direct site visits. Manchon clarifies that Chrome store metrics fluctuate erratically, prompting them to rely strictly on internal analytics.4:31–7:11 · Guest teaching 1/10 Psychology, Minimalist UX, and Driving User Engagement Latka investigates how MailTrack utilizes minimalistic UX and desktop pop-up notifications to re-engage users. Manchon explains their conversion funnel where users repeatedly remove the watermark manually until the friction prompts them to upgrade.7:12–10:16 · Guest teaching 4/10 Subscription Structure, Churn Dynamics, and Habit Formation Latka questions why a simple open-tracking tool requires months to deliver value rather than providing immediate utility. Manchon explains that true retention stems from long-term habit formation and unopened email alerts.10:19–13:08 · Guest teaching 1/10 Host Mid-Roll: Website Optimization with Hotjar Following a sponsor ad read, Latka explores MailTrack's early funding runway and equity distribution among co-founders. Manchon details how lower Spanish operational costs and public subsidies supported the initial unmonetized phase.13:09–15:56 · Guest teaching 1/10 Word-of-Mouth Virality and Press Coverage Channels Latka probes the technical architecture of injecting JavaScript into Gmail and Google Inbox interfaces. Manchon admits he focuses on product strategy rather than deep technical engineering details.15:56–18:33 · Guest teaching 2/10 Financial Break-Even, Operating Margins, and Infrastructure Costs Latka questions how Intercom pop-ups can display inside Gmail's web client. Manchon explains that their Chrome browser extension injects and triggers Intercom in-app messaging within the inbox environment.18:33–22:27 · Guest teaching 3/10 Mobile Roadmap and Android Native Gmail Integration Latka challenges Manchon's claim that Boomerang is not a direct competitor by pointing out feature overlap, and later presses him on why he would decline a 3x ARR acquisition offer. Manchon pushes back, defending their unique positioning and long-term upside.22:27–23:44 · Guest teaching 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Latka runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to clarify a minor miscommunication regarding the guest's age.0:49–4:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 MailTrack Product Overview and Revenue Benchmarks Latka drills into conversion funnels and install numbers from the Chrome Web Store versus direct site visits. Manchon clarifies that Chrome store metrics fluctuate erratically, prompting them to rely strictly on internal analytics.4:31–7:11 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Psychology, Minimalist UX, and Driving User Engagement Latka investigates how MailTrack utilizes minimalistic UX and desktop pop-up notifications to re-engage users. Manchon explains their conversion funnel where users repeatedly remove the watermark manually until the friction prompts them to upgrade.7:12–10:16 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Subscription Structure, Churn Dynamics, and Habit Formation Latka questions why a simple open-tracking tool requires months to deliver value rather than providing immediate utility. Manchon explains that true retention stems from long-term habit formation and unopened email alerts.10:19–13:08 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Host Mid-Roll: Website Optimization with Hotjar Following a sponsor ad read, Latka explores MailTrack's early funding runway and equity distribution among co-founders. Manchon details how lower Spanish operational costs and public subsidies supported the initial unmonetized phase.13:09–15:56 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Word-of-Mouth Virality and Press Coverage Channels Latka probes the technical architecture of injecting JavaScript into Gmail and Google Inbox interfaces. Manchon admits he focuses on product strategy rather than deep technical engineering details.15:56–18:33 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Financial Break-Even, Operating Margins, and Infrastructure Costs Latka questions how Intercom pop-ups can display inside Gmail's web client. Manchon explains that their Chrome browser extension injects and triggers Intercom in-app messaging within the inbox environment.18:33–22:27 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Mobile Roadmap and Android Native Gmail Integration Latka challenges Manchon's claim that Boomerang is not a direct competitor by pointing out feature overlap, and later presses him on why he would decline a 3x ARR acquisition offer. Manchon pushes back, defending their unique positioning and long-term upside.22:27–23:44 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Latka runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to clarify a minor miscommunication regarding the guest's age.0:49–4:31 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 MailTrack Product Overview and Revenue Benchmarks Latka drills into conversion funnels and install numbers from the Chrome Web Store versus direct site visits. Manchon clarifies that Chrome store metrics fluctuate erratically, prompting them to rely strictly on internal analytics.4:31–7:11 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Psychology, Minimalist UX, and Driving User Engagement Latka investigates how MailTrack utilizes minimalistic UX and desktop pop-up notifications to re-engage users. Manchon explains their conversion funnel where users repeatedly remove the watermark manually until the friction prompts them to upgrade.7:12–10:16 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Subscription Structure, Churn Dynamics, and Habit Formation Latka questions why a simple open-tracking tool requires months to deliver value rather than providing immediate utility. Manchon explains that true retention stems from long-term habit formation and unopened email alerts.10:19–13:08 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Host Mid-Roll: Website Optimization with Hotjar Following a sponsor ad read, Latka explores MailTrack's early funding runway and equity distribution among co-founders. Manchon details how lower Spanish operational costs and public subsidies supported the initial unmonetized phase.13:09–15:56 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Word-of-Mouth Virality and Press Coverage Channels Latka probes the technical architecture of injecting JavaScript into Gmail and Google Inbox interfaces. Manchon admits he focuses on product strategy rather than deep technical engineering details.15:56–18:33 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Financial Break-Even, Operating Margins, and Infrastructure Costs Latka questions how Intercom pop-ups can display inside Gmail's web client. Manchon explains that their Chrome browser extension injects and triggers Intercom in-app messaging within the inbox environment.18:33–22:27 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Mobile Roadmap and Android Native Gmail Integration Latka challenges Manchon's claim that Boomerang is not a direct competitor by pointing out feature overlap, and later presses him on why he would decline a 3x ARR acquisition offer. Manchon pushes back, defending their unique positioning and long-term upside.22:27–23:44 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Latka runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to clarify a minor miscommunication regarding the guest's age.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 48.2% · guest 51.8%0:00 · Nathan 48.2% · guest 51.8%3:00 · Nathan 31.8% · guest 68.2%3:00 · Nathan 31.8% · guest 68.2%6:00 · Nathan 27.7% · guest 72.3%6:00 · Nathan 27.7% · guest 72.3%9:00 · Nathan 70.6% · guest 29.4%9:00 · Nathan 70.6% · guest 29.4%12:00 · Nathan 30.2% · guest 69.8%12:00 · Nathan 30.2% · guest 69.8%15:00 · Nathan 32% · guest 68%15:00 · Nathan 32% · guest 68%18:00 · Nathan 17.6% · guest 82.4%18:00 · Nathan 17.6% · guest 82.4%21:00 · Nathan 35.4% · guest 64.6%21:00 · Nathan 35.4% · guest 64.6%24:00 · Nathan 93.6% · guest 6.4%24:00 · Nathan 93.6% · guest 6.4%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 21:26 Rejection of a 3x ARR acquisition offer

Manchon firmly rejects Latka's suggestion that selling the company for 3 million euros (3x ARR) would be attractive, dismissing the exit multiple and insisting on building greater standalone value.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 20:00 Challenging differentiation against Boomerang

Latka pushes back against Manchon's assertion that Boomerang is purely complementary by arguing that alerting users of unread emails within 24 hours effectively constitutes email open tracking.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 8:00 Explaining habit loops versus instant utility

Manchon educates Latka on freemium user psychology, showing that single-instance open notifications do not drive willingness to pay until recurring habit loops and missed open alerts take root over months.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 20:20 Dissecting competitor pricing and product overlap

Latka demonstrates sharp product awareness across email productivity tools by deconstructing Boomerang's core feature set and questioning how MailTrack prevents subscriber churn at identical price points.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
MailTrack Product Overview and Revenue Benchmarks 5212 Latka drills into conversion funnels and install numbers from the Chrome Web Store versus direct site visits. Manchon clarifies that Chrome store metrics fluctuate erratically, prompting them to rely strictly on internal analytics.
Psychology, Minimalist UX, and Driving User Engagement 4111 Latka investigates how MailTrack utilizes minimalistic UX and desktop pop-up notifications to re-engage users. Manchon explains their conversion funnel where users repeatedly remove the watermark manually until the friction prompts them to upgrade.
Subscription Structure, Churn Dynamics, and Habit Formation 5424 Latka questions why a simple open-tracking tool requires months to deliver value rather than providing immediate utility. Manchon explains that true retention stems from long-term habit formation and unopened email alerts.
Host Mid-Roll: Website Optimization with Hotjar 4112 Following a sponsor ad read, Latka explores MailTrack's early funding runway and equity distribution among co-founders. Manchon details how lower Spanish operational costs and public subsidies supported the initial unmonetized phase.
Word-of-Mouth Virality and Press Coverage Channels 4112 Latka probes the technical architecture of injecting JavaScript into Gmail and Google Inbox interfaces. Manchon admits he focuses on product strategy rather than deep technical engineering details.
Financial Break-Even, Operating Margins, and Infrastructure Costs 5213 Latka questions how Intercom pop-ups can display inside Gmail's web client. Manchon explains that their Chrome browser extension injects and triggers Intercom in-app messaging within the inbox environment.
Mobile Roadmap and Android Native Gmail Integration 6346 Latka challenges Manchon's claim that Boomerang is not a direct competitor by pointing out feature overlap, and later presses him on why he would decline a 3x ARR acquisition offer. Manchon pushes back, defending their unique positioning and long-term upside.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions 2011 Latka runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to clarify a minor miscommunication regarding the guest's age.

Statements from this episode (20)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: MailTrack has 22,000 customers and €1.1M in ARR
“Yeah, we have, like 22,000 customers, and we have 1.1 million euros annual recurring revenue.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 1:44
Disclosure
Eduardo Manchón: MailTrack spends zero money on customer acquisition
“We don't spend money in growth. We in acquisition.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 2:10
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: MailTrack has 2M signups and 600,000 active monthly users
“We have two million signups. That means currently like 600,000 active monthly users.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 2:29
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: 15% of MailTrack signups come from viral email signatures
“Like, 50% of the, 15% of the sign-ups, they come from the signature.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 2:42
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: MailTrack gets 700,000 daily impressions in the Chrome Web Store
“Every day we have 700,000 impressions of MailTrack inside the Chrome store.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 3:03
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: MailTrack adds roughly 4,000 new installs per day
“So daily from the Chrome store, we have like a. 2000. 2500 around. And then from our website, we'll have 1500 more. So it's like around 4000 installs per day.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 3:32
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: Users typically spend six to eight hours daily in Gmail
“And then typically Gmail is used six hours per day or eight hours per day during the journey.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 6:11
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: Free users manually remove MailTrack signatures for months before paying
“We know that a lot of users, they keep removing their signature manually for months until they decide the service is worth to pay.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 6:56
Insight
Manchón: MailTrack avoids monthly billing because product value takes months
“So we know that, that with this product, we cannot offer a monthly plan because then the channel will be very, very high because the product doesn't deliver value until you use it for several months.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 7:32
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: MailTrack maintains a 2.43% monthly revenue churn rate
“So the churn is currently only like 2.43%. So it's pretty low. Yeah, yeah, per month.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 7:48
Assertion Partly supported
Manchón: MailTrack raised €100K in debt and €300K in government subsidies
“Yeah, we have raised like a 100,000 euro. And then we'll have some subsidies from the government that make like 300,000 more.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 9:08
Assertion Supported
Manchón: Co-founder Nacho González had three exits before MailTrack
“Nacho Gonzalez that that is a pretty famous co-founder founder here in Barcelona. He's, he had three exits. I, including one to TripAdvisor.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 11:57
Disclosure
Eduardo Manchón owns 10% equity in MailTrack
“Yeah, now I have like the, yeah, 10%, actually.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 12:54
Assertion Supported
MailTrack has patent-pending tech to prevent multi-device self-opens
“We have some patented pending technology in that.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 15:06
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: MailTrack reached break-even in 2016 and reinvests all cash
“We reached the break even like two years ago, but since we are growing, we are not trying to generate money. We just invested in more people for the team and more resourcing and exploring acquisition and so on.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 15:59
Assertion Supported
Manchón: MailTrack will be the first tracker inside native Android Gmail
“Thanks to Gmail add-ons will be the first email tracker that will offer the double check inside your native Gmail app for Android.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 18:58
Insight
Manchón: Users will not switch email apps just to get read receipts
“Our competitors, they have created apps, but we don't think it's realistic that you will change your email app, your favorite email app for hours You have to know if your email has been read or not.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 19:44
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manchón: Boomerang actively recommends MailTrack to its own customers
“Well, the, actually the Boomerang team even recommend us to our, to their customers.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 20:54
Disclosure
Manchón: MailTrack would reject a $3M buyout offer
“No, no, it's not our path. We want to create something that it's bigger. We want to create more value, and we have still a long journey to grow.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 21:42
Disclosure
Manchón: MailTrack built a Google Inbox version purely because he uses it
“We have a MailTrack version for Google Inbox because I'm the only user in the office.”
Eduardo Manchón Feb 27, 2018 ▶ 22:56
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