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Oct 30, 2018 · 20m · top-founders

1193 Now Anyone Can Use the Tech He Used to Build His $100m eCommerce Brand

John James · 12m spoken Nathan Latka · 6m spoken
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Serial e-commerce entrepreneur John James discusses scaling Acumen Brands to a $100M+ run rate and an $83M secondary buyout before detailing how his new venture, Engine Commerce, productizes proprietary software for mid-market merchants.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 35.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.8 Guest teaching 2.3 Guest disagreement 1.0 Nathan pushing back 2.2
05100:0010:0020:000:00–4:11 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Episode Preview and Engine eCommerce Overview Nathan sets up the interview by drawing comparisons between Acumen Brands and Nasty Gal. John cordially explains the multi-store operational history and how Country Outfitter became the primary revenue driver.4:11–7:37 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 The $83 Million Secondary Buyout and Valuation Nathan digs deep into the $83M General Atlantic secondary round, probing valuation numbers and current Facebook fan metrics. John candidly breaks down the exact post-money valuation ($157.5M) and explains how Facebook's algorithm changes drastically reduced organic reach.7:37–10:14 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Building an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem in Arkansas The conversation shifts to building startups in Arkansas, interrupted mid-segment by Nathan's sponsor read for Monday.com. John talks about ecosystem building and raising early venture rounds in Fayetteville.10:14–12:50 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Launching Engine Commerce for Mid-Market Brands Nathan asks for specifics on Engine Commerce's target customer and revenue status. John clarifies they are not pre-revenue, having booked revenue from beta customers before pausing after their seed round.12:51–17:00 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Software Platform Strategy vs. Private Equity Rollup Nathan asks why John chose to build a software tool rather than run a private equity aggregator to buy brands. Nathan also presses on pricing models and expansion revenue drivers, which John answers by explaining his event-driven CRM roadmap.17:00–20:00 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Digital Product Aspirations and Company Origins Nathan conducts the Famous Five routine smoothly, asking about books, sleep habits, and delegation. John shares personal details and reflections on his background.0:00–4:11 · Guest teaching 3/10 Episode Preview and Engine eCommerce Overview Nathan sets up the interview by drawing comparisons between Acumen Brands and Nasty Gal. John cordially explains the multi-store operational history and how Country Outfitter became the primary revenue driver.4:11–7:37 · Guest teaching 4/10 The $83 Million Secondary Buyout and Valuation Nathan digs deep into the $83M General Atlantic secondary round, probing valuation numbers and current Facebook fan metrics. John candidly breaks down the exact post-money valuation ($157.5M) and explains how Facebook's algorithm changes drastically reduced organic reach.7:37–10:14 · Guest teaching 2/10 Building an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem in Arkansas The conversation shifts to building startups in Arkansas, interrupted mid-segment by Nathan's sponsor read for Monday.com. John talks about ecosystem building and raising early venture rounds in Fayetteville.10:14–12:50 · Guest teaching 2/10 Launching Engine Commerce for Mid-Market Brands Nathan asks for specifics on Engine Commerce's target customer and revenue status. John clarifies they are not pre-revenue, having booked revenue from beta customers before pausing after their seed round.12:51–17:00 · Guest teaching 2/10 Software Platform Strategy vs. Private Equity Rollup Nathan asks why John chose to build a software tool rather than run a private equity aggregator to buy brands. Nathan also presses on pricing models and expansion revenue drivers, which John answers by explaining his event-driven CRM roadmap.17:00–20:00 · Guest teaching 1/10 Digital Product Aspirations and Company Origins Nathan conducts the Famous Five routine smoothly, asking about books, sleep habits, and delegation. John shares personal details and reflections on his background.0:00–4:11 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Episode Preview and Engine eCommerce Overview Nathan sets up the interview by drawing comparisons between Acumen Brands and Nasty Gal. John cordially explains the multi-store operational history and how Country Outfitter became the primary revenue driver.4:11–7:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The $83 Million Secondary Buyout and Valuation Nathan digs deep into the $83M General Atlantic secondary round, probing valuation numbers and current Facebook fan metrics. John candidly breaks down the exact post-money valuation ($157.5M) and explains how Facebook's algorithm changes drastically reduced organic reach.7:37–10:14 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Building an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem in Arkansas The conversation shifts to building startups in Arkansas, interrupted mid-segment by Nathan's sponsor read for Monday.com. John talks about ecosystem building and raising early venture rounds in Fayetteville.10:14–12:50 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Launching Engine Commerce for Mid-Market Brands Nathan asks for specifics on Engine Commerce's target customer and revenue status. John clarifies they are not pre-revenue, having booked revenue from beta customers before pausing after their seed round.12:51–17:00 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Software Platform Strategy vs. Private Equity Rollup Nathan asks why John chose to build a software tool rather than run a private equity aggregator to buy brands. Nathan also presses on pricing models and expansion revenue drivers, which John answers by explaining his event-driven CRM roadmap.17:00–20:00 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Digital Product Aspirations and Company Origins Nathan conducts the Famous Five routine smoothly, asking about books, sleep habits, and delegation. John shares personal details and reflections on his background.0:00–4:11 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Episode Preview and Engine eCommerce Overview Nathan sets up the interview by drawing comparisons between Acumen Brands and Nasty Gal. John cordially explains the multi-store operational history and how Country Outfitter became the primary revenue driver.4:11–7:37 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 The $83 Million Secondary Buyout and Valuation Nathan digs deep into the $83M General Atlantic secondary round, probing valuation numbers and current Facebook fan metrics. John candidly breaks down the exact post-money valuation ($157.5M) and explains how Facebook's algorithm changes drastically reduced organic reach.7:37–10:14 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Building an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem in Arkansas The conversation shifts to building startups in Arkansas, interrupted mid-segment by Nathan's sponsor read for Monday.com. John talks about ecosystem building and raising early venture rounds in Fayetteville.10:14–12:50 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Launching Engine Commerce for Mid-Market Brands Nathan asks for specifics on Engine Commerce's target customer and revenue status. John clarifies they are not pre-revenue, having booked revenue from beta customers before pausing after their seed round.12:51–17:00 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Software Platform Strategy vs. Private Equity Rollup Nathan asks why John chose to build a software tool rather than run a private equity aggregator to buy brands. Nathan also presses on pricing models and expansion revenue drivers, which John answers by explaining his event-driven CRM roadmap.17:00–20:00 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Digital Product Aspirations and Company Origins Nathan conducts the Famous Five routine smoothly, asking about books, sleep habits, and delegation. John shares personal details and reflections on his background.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 75% · guest 25%0:00 · Nathan 75% · guest 25%3:00 · Nathan 16.8% · guest 83.2%3:00 · Nathan 16.8% · guest 83.2%6:00 · Nathan 19.6% · guest 80.4%6:00 · Nathan 19.6% · guest 80.4%9:00 · Nathan 54.4% · guest 45.6%9:00 · Nathan 54.4% · guest 45.6%12:00 · Nathan 25.6% · guest 74.4%12:00 · Nathan 25.6% · guest 74.4%15:00 · Nathan 17.2% · guest 82.8%15:00 · Nathan 17.2% · guest 82.8%18:00 · Nathan 39.1% · guest 60.9%18:00 · Nathan 39.1% · guest 60.9%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 18:09 Dismissing non-Bezos/Lohr operators

John humorously asserts that anyone not watching Jeff Bezos or Marc Lore is an idiot in the eCommerce space, his most emphatic and bold statement.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 12:50 Pressing PE roll-up strategy

Nathan directly challenges John's decision to build a platform from scratch instead of using a private equity strategy to buy brands.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:53 Explaining the platform risk of Facebook

John explains with precise data how Facebook algorithm changes crashed organic reach from 56% to 0.5%, educating listeners on why founders must own their customer platform.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 5:08 Nathan drilling on secondary deal mechanics

Nathan displays financial acumen by dissecting the $83M funding event as purely secondary liquidity rather than growth capital.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Episode Preview and Engine eCommerce Overview 5312 Nathan sets up the interview by drawing comparisons between Acumen Brands and Nasty Gal. John cordially explains the multi-store operational history and how Country Outfitter became the primary revenue driver.
The $83 Million Secondary Buyout and Valuation 6414 Nathan digs deep into the $83M General Atlantic secondary round, probing valuation numbers and current Facebook fan metrics. John candidly breaks down the exact post-money valuation ($157.5M) and explains how Facebook's algorithm changes drastically reduced organic reach.
Building an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem in Arkansas 3211 The conversation shifts to building startups in Arkansas, interrupted mid-segment by Nathan's sponsor read for Monday.com. John talks about ecosystem building and raising early venture rounds in Fayetteville.
Launching Engine Commerce for Mid-Market Brands 5212 Nathan asks for specifics on Engine Commerce's target customer and revenue status. John clarifies they are not pre-revenue, having booked revenue from beta customers before pausing after their seed round.
Software Platform Strategy vs. Private Equity Rollup 6213 Nathan asks why John chose to build a software tool rather than run a private equity aggregator to buy brands. Nathan also presses on pricing models and expansion revenue drivers, which John answers by explaining his event-driven CRM roadmap.
Digital Product Aspirations and Company Origins 4111 Nathan conducts the Famous Five routine smoothly, asking about books, sleep habits, and delegation. John shares personal details and reflections on his background.

Statements from this episode (10)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Acumen Brands abandoned 19 stores when Country Outfitter hit 90% of revenue
“So we had 20 stores running and then we look up one day and realize that country outfitter is 90 plus percent of our revenue. So we abandoned the rest of them”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 3:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
James: Majority of General Atlantic's $83M Acumen Deal Was Secondary Liquidity
“Most of that was secondary, and in fact, the majority of it was, so you know, depending on who you're talking to, it's, it was a venture event, or it was a secondary liquidity event”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 4:43
Assertion Not checkable as stated
James: General Atlantic Acumen Brands Buyout Valued Company at $157.5M
“They took a majority stake in it. I think post money on it, and there was some money on the balance sheet. I think it was 157 and a half. Million post money.”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 5:26
Assertion Not checkable as stated
James: Facebook Algorithm Change Dropped Acumen Brands Below $100M Run Rate
“We were on a run rate before Facebook changed their algorithm over a hundred million dollars, and it dropped south of a hundred million dollars during the, in between the time of the investment and when I left.”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 5:39
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Country Outfitter organic Facebook reach plummeted from 56% to 0.5%
“So I think we had 56% reach when we'd post an organic Facebook post. And literally overnight, over a span of about three different algorithm tweaks, that went to .5%.”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 6:10
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Acumen Brands grew Country Outfitter to 11 million email subscribers
“In fact, we had more email subscribers, eleven million email subscribers.”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 6:32
Insight
James: Do not build your business on third-party platforms
“And so, you know, the advice and the learnings there is, you know, don't build your business on someone else's platform. Don't be Facebook's bitch. Don't be Google's Move it onto your own platform.”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 6:55
Assertion Partly supported
James: Acumen's 2009 Series A Was Arkansas's First in a Decade
“So if you look at our series A in 2009, it was the first one in Arkansas in over a decade. And that was a three and a half million dollar round.”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 8:11
Prediction Not checkable as stated
James: Engine Commerce will reach $1M ARR and $2M-$3M in services in 2018
“We probably do a couple, three million in services and we'll easily get to a million ARR if things go as planned.”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 14:37
Opinion
John James: Walmart overpaid for Jet.com, but Marc Lore is a genius
“Well, of course they did, but Mark Lohr's a genius. There's only two of him, and one's named Jeff Bezos, and then Mark's the other one. So yeah, of course they overpaid.”
John James Oct 30, 2018 ▶ 18:32
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