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Apr 20, 2020 · 20m · top-founders

1731 How He Raised $10m From PE To Buy Out 80% Cofounders

Steve Arnold · 10m spoken Nathan Latka · 7m spoken
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In this interview, E-Days CEO Steve Arnold explains how the bootstrapped employee absence management platform scaled to $3.5M ARR with 45% EBITDA margins and executed a $10M private equity buyout of early 80% co-founders.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 43.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.5 Guest teaching 1.3 Guest disagreement 0.3 Nathan pushing back 2.0
05100:0010:0020:000:00–4:23 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Host Announcement and iTunes Review Request Nathan introduces the episode and queries Steve on the origin of the business and early seat pricing. Steve cooperatively shares their average contract value and seat count.4:23–6:59 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Spinoff History and Annual Recurring Revenue Growth Nathan works through ARR figures and pound-to-dollar conversions to calculate growth rates. Steve politely reins in Nathan's assumption by clarifying that ARR growth is closer to 30% rather than 40-50%.6:59–9:03 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Inbound Funnel and Multi-Tier Sales Demo Strategy Steve explains their inbound funnel, demo volume, and conversion funnel metrics. Nathan listens attentively and asks clarifying operational questions.9:09–12:55 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Sponsor Segment: Freelancer Sourcing via Fiverr Following a sponsor read, Nathan explores the PE buyout structure and immediately diagnoses the transaction as akin to a reverse search fund model with a 3-4x valuation.12:56–17:53 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Profitability Margins, Retention Metrics, and Expansion Plans Nathan presses Steve on retention mechanics, pointing out that an 8% logo churn requires a 13% expansion to reach 105% NRR. Steve explains that churning logos represent negligible revenue.17:53–19:49 · Nathan as informed peer 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Steve shares books, tools, and life advice in an amiable wrap-up.0:00–4:23 · Guest teaching 1/10 Host Announcement and iTunes Review Request Nathan introduces the episode and queries Steve on the origin of the business and early seat pricing. Steve cooperatively shares their average contract value and seat count.4:23–6:59 · Guest teaching 3/10 Spinoff History and Annual Recurring Revenue Growth Nathan works through ARR figures and pound-to-dollar conversions to calculate growth rates. Steve politely reins in Nathan's assumption by clarifying that ARR growth is closer to 30% rather than 40-50%.6:59–9:03 · Guest teaching 1/10 Inbound Funnel and Multi-Tier Sales Demo Strategy Steve explains their inbound funnel, demo volume, and conversion funnel metrics. Nathan listens attentively and asks clarifying operational questions.9:09–12:55 · Guest teaching 1/10 Sponsor Segment: Freelancer Sourcing via Fiverr Following a sponsor read, Nathan explores the PE buyout structure and immediately diagnoses the transaction as akin to a reverse search fund model with a 3-4x valuation.12:56–17:53 · Guest teaching 2/10 Profitability Margins, Retention Metrics, and Expansion Plans Nathan presses Steve on retention mechanics, pointing out that an 8% logo churn requires a 13% expansion to reach 105% NRR. Steve explains that churning logos represent negligible revenue.17:53–19:49 · Guest teaching 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Steve shares books, tools, and life advice in an amiable wrap-up.0:00–4:23 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Host Announcement and iTunes Review Request Nathan introduces the episode and queries Steve on the origin of the business and early seat pricing. Steve cooperatively shares their average contract value and seat count.4:23–6:59 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Spinoff History and Annual Recurring Revenue Growth Nathan works through ARR figures and pound-to-dollar conversions to calculate growth rates. Steve politely reins in Nathan's assumption by clarifying that ARR growth is closer to 30% rather than 40-50%.6:59–9:03 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Inbound Funnel and Multi-Tier Sales Demo Strategy Steve explains their inbound funnel, demo volume, and conversion funnel metrics. Nathan listens attentively and asks clarifying operational questions.9:09–12:55 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sponsor Segment: Freelancer Sourcing via Fiverr Following a sponsor read, Nathan explores the PE buyout structure and immediately diagnoses the transaction as akin to a reverse search fund model with a 3-4x valuation.12:56–17:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Profitability Margins, Retention Metrics, and Expansion Plans Nathan presses Steve on retention mechanics, pointing out that an 8% logo churn requires a 13% expansion to reach 105% NRR. Steve explains that churning logos represent negligible revenue.17:53–19:49 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Steve shares books, tools, and life advice in an amiable wrap-up.0:00–4:23 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Host Announcement and iTunes Review Request Nathan introduces the episode and queries Steve on the origin of the business and early seat pricing. Steve cooperatively shares their average contract value and seat count.4:23–6:59 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Spinoff History and Annual Recurring Revenue Growth Nathan works through ARR figures and pound-to-dollar conversions to calculate growth rates. Steve politely reins in Nathan's assumption by clarifying that ARR growth is closer to 30% rather than 40-50%.6:59–9:03 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Inbound Funnel and Multi-Tier Sales Demo Strategy Steve explains their inbound funnel, demo volume, and conversion funnel metrics. Nathan listens attentively and asks clarifying operational questions.9:09–12:55 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Sponsor Segment: Freelancer Sourcing via Fiverr Following a sponsor read, Nathan explores the PE buyout structure and immediately diagnoses the transaction as akin to a reverse search fund model with a 3-4x valuation.12:56–17:53 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Profitability Margins, Retention Metrics, and Expansion Plans Nathan presses Steve on retention mechanics, pointing out that an 8% logo churn requires a 13% expansion to reach 105% NRR. Steve explains that churning logos represent negligible revenue.17:53–19:49 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Steve shares books, tools, and life advice in an amiable wrap-up.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 81.4% · guest 18.6%0:00 · Nathan 81.4% · guest 18.6%3:00 · Nathan 23.2% · guest 76.8%3:00 · Nathan 23.2% · guest 76.8%6:00 · Nathan 23.7% · guest 76.3%6:00 · Nathan 23.7% · guest 76.3%9:00 · Nathan 71.3% · guest 28.7%9:00 · Nathan 71.3% · guest 28.7%12:00 · Nathan 31% · guest 69%12:00 · Nathan 31% · guest 69%15:00 · Nathan 30.6% · guest 69.4%15:00 · Nathan 30.6% · guest 69.4%18:00 · Nathan 42.3% · guest 57.7%18:00 · Nathan 42.3% · guest 57.7%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:34 Steve clarifies revenue churn versus logo churn

Steve pushes back on Nathan's rigid cohort retention math by pointing out that churned accounts are predominantly small customers with negligible revenue impact.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 15:09 Nathan challenges net retention calculations

Nathan refuses to gloss over retention figures, insisting that recovering an 8% logo churn demands a 13% expansion on the remaining cohort to achieve 105% NRR.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:21 Steve corrects Nathan's growth rate calculation

Steve gently corrects Nathan's projected 40-50% growth estimation, explaining that current ARR growth is actually around 30%.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 12:10 Nathan dissects the PE buyout valuation

Nathan displays financial literacy by framing the transaction as a reverse search fund and calculating the implied valuation multiple on the fly.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Host Announcement and iTunes Review Request 4101 Nathan introduces the episode and queries Steve on the origin of the business and early seat pricing. Steve cooperatively shares their average contract value and seat count.
Spinoff History and Annual Recurring Revenue Growth 6313 Nathan works through ARR figures and pound-to-dollar conversions to calculate growth rates. Steve politely reins in Nathan's assumption by clarifying that ARR growth is closer to 30% rather than 40-50%.
Inbound Funnel and Multi-Tier Sales Demo Strategy 3101 Steve explains their inbound funnel, demo volume, and conversion funnel metrics. Nathan listens attentively and asks clarifying operational questions.
Sponsor Segment: Freelancer Sourcing via Fiverr 6102 Following a sponsor read, Nathan explores the PE buyout structure and immediately diagnoses the transaction as akin to a reverse search fund model with a 3-4x valuation.
Profitability Margins, Retention Metrics, and Expansion Plans 7215 Nathan presses Steve on retention mechanics, pointing out that an 8% logo churn requires a 13% expansion to reach 105% NRR. Steve explains that churning logos represent negligible revenue.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions 1000 Nathan runs through his standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions, and Steve shares books, tools, and life advice in an amiable wrap-up.

Statements from this episode (15)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Arnold: Average E-Days customer has 150 employees and pays $200 monthly
“An average customer has got about 150 employees and they're paid about 200 dollars per month.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 4:09
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Arnold: E-Days has scaled to 1,400 customers
“We got 1400 customers now.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 5:11
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Arnold: E-Days added 330 customers and £600k ARR over past year
“Over the last 12 months, we've signed up another 330 odd customers and added about 600,000 pounds worth of recurring revenue or business over the last 12 months.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 5:42
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Arnold: E-Days ARR stands at £2.7M
“So our recurring revenue is 2.7 million pounds.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 6:33
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E-Days maintains a 25% inbound inquiry-to-customer conversion rate
“So we get these inquiries coming in and we convert 25% of those to customers. That's our metric that we've kept pretty consistent.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 7:27
Assertion Not checkable as stated
E-Days employs a sales team of six across enterprise and SMEs
“So we've got a team of six sales guys at the moment. They're split into enterprise and SMEs.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 7:43
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E-Days converts 50% of screenshare product demos into customer sign-ups
“When we get them onto an online demo via screen share, we've got a 50% conversion rate of people who see these to signing up in the system.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 8:23
Disclosure
Arnold: E-Days Raised ~$10M From PE for Partner Buyout
“It was about ten million.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 11:29
Disclosure
Arnold: Early Partners Owned 80% of E-Days Prior to Buyout
“Well, there were two of them really. One was a silent partner. So one of them had in total, they had 80% of the company.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 11:38
Disclosure
Arnold: Private Equity Firm Owns ~60% of E-Days Post-Buyout
“They own about 60%.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 12:08
Assertion Not checkable as stated
E-Days operates at approximately a 45% EBITDA margin
“And we're about 45% EBITDA margin.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 13:59
Assertion Not checkable as stated
E-Days has an annual logo churn rate of 8%
“Eight percent of our customers is, is our, would be our logo churn.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 14:43
Assertion Not checkable as stated
E-Days maintains a net revenue retention rate of 105% to 106%
“It's about a 105%, a 106%.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 14:56
Assertion Not checkable as stated
E-Days has an average CAC just under $2,000
“The average cost of acquisition in dollars is just below 2000 dollars.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 16:15
Assertion Not checkable as stated
E-Days achieves an 8.5 month customer payback period
“Eight and a half months is how I calculate the payback.”
Steve Arnold Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 16:22
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