Sep 29, 2020 · 20m · top-founders

OnFleet Flirting With $10m ARR Processing 3m Deliveries Per Month for 900 Customers

Khaled Naim · 11m spoken Nathan Latka · 6m spoken
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In this interview, host Nathan Latka speaks with Onfleet CEO and co-founder Khaled Naim about scaling the last-mile delivery SaaS platform to $800,000 in monthly recurring revenue and three million monthly deliveries. Naim details Onfleet's Stanford origins, enterprise customer adoption, capital-efficient growth, and upcoming fundraising plans.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 35.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.0 Guest teaching 3.1 Guest disagreement 1.0 Nathan pushing back 1.6
05100:0010:0020:001:33–3:42 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Onfleet's Mission and Delivery Software Operations Nathan frames the macro environment around COVID-driven delivery demand and inquires about driver employment structures. Khaled cooperatively explains how retailers use Onfleet to manage both in-house and third-party fleets.3:43–7:20 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 The Origins of Onfleet at Stanford Nathan tracks historical customer growth metrics and challenges the use case of large enterprise clients like Gap and Sweetgreen versus delivery aggregators. Khaled explains the margin and omnichannel advantages of running dedicated internal fleets.7:20–9:35 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Transparent SaaS Pricing vs Aggregator Take Rates Nathan asks for a specific order P&L breakdown to understand Onfleet's take-rate. Khaled clarifies that Onfleet operates as pure SaaS charged per task rather than taking a percentage commission on merchandise value.9:35–11:58 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Scaling to Three Million Deliveries and Breakeven Operations Nathan conducts quick mental math on unit economics, breaking down average customer spend into daily delivery volume, and probes into breakeven status and acquisition interest. Khaled confirms the math and discusses pacing growth efficiently.12:00–14:53 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Mid-Roll HostGator Website Builder Advertisement Following a sponsor ad read, Nathan investigates Onfleet's balance sheet, debt financing with Lighter Capital, and target round sizing. Khaled shares their plan to raise a targeted $10M to $15M while remaining capital efficient.14:54–17:49 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Team Composition and Sales Team Scaling Nathan drills down into sales team ratios and SaaS churn dynamics, pointing out a discrepancy in previously recorded gross churn figures. Khaled clarifies that annual gross retention is 85% with net retention exceeding 115%.17:51–20:01 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Founder Transparency and the Famous Five Nathan asks why Khaled is willing to be transparent on public metrics before running through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire.20:04–20:35 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Episode Conclusion and Onfleet Financial Summary Nathan delivers a rapid solo recap of Onfleet's core metrics and valuation positioning at the close of the episode.1:33–3:42 · Guest teaching 3/10 Onfleet's Mission and Delivery Software Operations Nathan frames the macro environment around COVID-driven delivery demand and inquires about driver employment structures. Khaled cooperatively explains how retailers use Onfleet to manage both in-house and third-party fleets.3:43–7:20 · Guest teaching 5/10 The Origins of Onfleet at Stanford Nathan tracks historical customer growth metrics and challenges the use case of large enterprise clients like Gap and Sweetgreen versus delivery aggregators. Khaled explains the margin and omnichannel advantages of running dedicated internal fleets.7:20–9:35 · Guest teaching 6/10 Transparent SaaS Pricing vs Aggregator Take Rates Nathan asks for a specific order P&L breakdown to understand Onfleet's take-rate. Khaled clarifies that Onfleet operates as pure SaaS charged per task rather than taking a percentage commission on merchandise value.9:35–11:58 · Guest teaching 3/10 Scaling to Three Million Deliveries and Breakeven Operations Nathan conducts quick mental math on unit economics, breaking down average customer spend into daily delivery volume, and probes into breakeven status and acquisition interest. Khaled confirms the math and discusses pacing growth efficiently.12:00–14:53 · Guest teaching 2/10 Mid-Roll HostGator Website Builder Advertisement Following a sponsor ad read, Nathan investigates Onfleet's balance sheet, debt financing with Lighter Capital, and target round sizing. Khaled shares their plan to raise a targeted $10M to $15M while remaining capital efficient.14:54–17:49 · Guest teaching 5/10 Team Composition and Sales Team Scaling Nathan drills down into sales team ratios and SaaS churn dynamics, pointing out a discrepancy in previously recorded gross churn figures. Khaled clarifies that annual gross retention is 85% with net retention exceeding 115%.17:51–20:01 · Guest teaching 1/10 Founder Transparency and the Famous Five Nathan asks why Khaled is willing to be transparent on public metrics before running through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire.20:04–20:35 · Guest teaching 0/10 Episode Conclusion and Onfleet Financial Summary Nathan delivers a rapid solo recap of Onfleet's core metrics and valuation positioning at the close of the episode.1:33–3:42 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Onfleet's Mission and Delivery Software Operations Nathan frames the macro environment around COVID-driven delivery demand and inquires about driver employment structures. Khaled cooperatively explains how retailers use Onfleet to manage both in-house and third-party fleets.3:43–7:20 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Origins of Onfleet at Stanford Nathan tracks historical customer growth metrics and challenges the use case of large enterprise clients like Gap and Sweetgreen versus delivery aggregators. Khaled explains the margin and omnichannel advantages of running dedicated internal fleets.7:20–9:35 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Transparent SaaS Pricing vs Aggregator Take Rates Nathan asks for a specific order P&L breakdown to understand Onfleet's take-rate. Khaled clarifies that Onfleet operates as pure SaaS charged per task rather than taking a percentage commission on merchandise value.9:35–11:58 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Scaling to Three Million Deliveries and Breakeven Operations Nathan conducts quick mental math on unit economics, breaking down average customer spend into daily delivery volume, and probes into breakeven status and acquisition interest. Khaled confirms the math and discusses pacing growth efficiently.12:00–14:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Mid-Roll HostGator Website Builder Advertisement Following a sponsor ad read, Nathan investigates Onfleet's balance sheet, debt financing with Lighter Capital, and target round sizing. Khaled shares their plan to raise a targeted $10M to $15M while remaining capital efficient.14:54–17:49 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Team Composition and Sales Team Scaling Nathan drills down into sales team ratios and SaaS churn dynamics, pointing out a discrepancy in previously recorded gross churn figures. Khaled clarifies that annual gross retention is 85% with net retention exceeding 115%.17:51–20:01 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Founder Transparency and the Famous Five Nathan asks why Khaled is willing to be transparent on public metrics before running through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire.20:04–20:35 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Episode Conclusion and Onfleet Financial Summary Nathan delivers a rapid solo recap of Onfleet's core metrics and valuation positioning at the close of the episode.1:33–3:42 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Onfleet's Mission and Delivery Software Operations Nathan frames the macro environment around COVID-driven delivery demand and inquires about driver employment structures. Khaled cooperatively explains how retailers use Onfleet to manage both in-house and third-party fleets.3:43–7:20 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 The Origins of Onfleet at Stanford Nathan tracks historical customer growth metrics and challenges the use case of large enterprise clients like Gap and Sweetgreen versus delivery aggregators. Khaled explains the margin and omnichannel advantages of running dedicated internal fleets.7:20–9:35 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Transparent SaaS Pricing vs Aggregator Take Rates Nathan asks for a specific order P&L breakdown to understand Onfleet's take-rate. Khaled clarifies that Onfleet operates as pure SaaS charged per task rather than taking a percentage commission on merchandise value.9:35–11:58 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Scaling to Three Million Deliveries and Breakeven Operations Nathan conducts quick mental math on unit economics, breaking down average customer spend into daily delivery volume, and probes into breakeven status and acquisition interest. Khaled confirms the math and discusses pacing growth efficiently.12:00–14:53 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Mid-Roll HostGator Website Builder Advertisement Following a sponsor ad read, Nathan investigates Onfleet's balance sheet, debt financing with Lighter Capital, and target round sizing. Khaled shares their plan to raise a targeted $10M to $15M while remaining capital efficient.14:54–17:49 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Team Composition and Sales Team Scaling Nathan drills down into sales team ratios and SaaS churn dynamics, pointing out a discrepancy in previously recorded gross churn figures. Khaled clarifies that annual gross retention is 85% with net retention exceeding 115%.17:51–20:01 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Founder Transparency and the Famous Five Nathan asks why Khaled is willing to be transparent on public metrics before running through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire.20:04–20:35 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Episode Conclusion and Onfleet Financial Summary Nathan delivers a rapid solo recap of Onfleet's core metrics and valuation positioning at the close of the episode.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 61% · guest 39%0:00 · Nathan 61% · guest 39%3:00 · Nathan 20.9% · guest 79.1%3:00 · Nathan 20.9% · guest 79.1%6:00 · Nathan 22.3% · guest 77.7%6:00 · Nathan 22.3% · guest 77.7%9:00 · Nathan 28.1% · guest 71.9%9:00 · Nathan 28.1% · guest 71.9%12:00 · Nathan 49.4% · guest 50.6%12:00 · Nathan 49.4% · guest 50.6%15:00 · Nathan 26.7% · guest 73.3%15:00 · Nathan 26.7% · guest 73.3%18:00 · Nathan 44.4% · guest 55.6%18:00 · Nathan 44.4% · guest 55.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 17:28 Polite correction of past recorded churn figures

Khaled directly clarifies that the host's recorded 72% gross churn figure was incorrect, affirming their actual gross retention sits around 85%.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 8:20 Pressing for exact software cut on a sample order

Nathan cuts through general labor expense explanations to demand the exact software fee extracted from a theoretical $100 restaurant order.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 8:24 Explaining the SaaS per-task model over sales take-rates

Khaled explains why Onfleet does not take a percentage commission of retail basket size, distinguishing software infrastructure pricing from marketplace aggregator models.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 10:16 Instant mental math on task volume and daily unit velocity

Nathan instantly calculates that $900 per month at 20 cents per task translates to roughly 4,500 monthly tasks and 150 daily deliveries per client.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Onfleet's Mission and Delivery Software Operations 5311 Nathan frames the macro environment around COVID-driven delivery demand and inquires about driver employment structures. Khaled cooperatively explains how retailers use Onfleet to manage both in-house and third-party fleets.
The Origins of Onfleet at Stanford 6512 Nathan tracks historical customer growth metrics and challenges the use case of large enterprise clients like Gap and Sweetgreen versus delivery aggregators. Khaled explains the margin and omnichannel advantages of running dedicated internal fleets.
Transparent SaaS Pricing vs Aggregator Take Rates 7613 Nathan asks for a specific order P&L breakdown to understand Onfleet's take-rate. Khaled clarifies that Onfleet operates as pure SaaS charged per task rather than taking a percentage commission on merchandise value.
Scaling to Three Million Deliveries and Breakeven Operations 7312 Nathan conducts quick mental math on unit economics, breaking down average customer spend into daily delivery volume, and probes into breakeven status and acquisition interest. Khaled confirms the math and discusses pacing growth efficiently.
Mid-Roll HostGator Website Builder Advertisement 5211 Following a sponsor ad read, Nathan investigates Onfleet's balance sheet, debt financing with Lighter Capital, and target round sizing. Khaled shares their plan to raise a targeted $10M to $15M while remaining capital efficient.
Team Composition and Sales Team Scaling 7523 Nathan drills down into sales team ratios and SaaS churn dynamics, pointing out a discrepancy in previously recorded gross churn figures. Khaled clarifies that annual gross retention is 85% with net retention exceeding 115%.
Founder Transparency and the Famous Five 3111 Nathan asks why Khaled is willing to be transparent on public metrics before running through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire.
Episode Conclusion and Onfleet Financial Summary 0000 Nathan delivers a rapid solo recap of Onfleet's core metrics and valuation positioning at the close of the episode.

Statements from this episode (17)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Naim: Onfleet sees demand spike from retail's shift to online delivery
“Retail is going through a massive sort of transition to online delivery focused models. So yes, we absolutely are.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 1:59
Disclosure
Naim: Onfleet recently announced a partnership with Drizly
“Drizzly, we announced recently they're an alcohol delivery service.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 2:23
Disclosure
Naim: Onfleet began at Stanford in 2011 as location-sharing app Addy
“Originally, down at Stanford, working on location-based services technology, so we were targeting emerging markets at the time, this is back in, like, 20 11 helping people that lack functional street addressing systems in their countries to communicate locatio…”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 3:55
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Naim: Onfleet serves approximately 900 customers
“Today we're close to 900. We're around, around 900 right now, actually.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 5:17
Disclosure
Naim: Gap powers international same-day delivery fleets using Onfleet
“So Gap in some of their international markets, they actually have Fleets of drivers that are doing same day delivery. So they offer same day delivery in some of the international markets and they use that fleet and that fleet that they use to do those deliveri…”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 6:13
Insight
Naim: In-house delivery fleets are cheaper for large catering orders
“The cost is just, is a lot lower when you're talking about a large order.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 7:16
Disclosure
Naim: Onfleet charges per task and feature tier, taking zero order margin
“So we don't take a margin. So that's the nice thing about Onfleet is we charge you based on the feature set that you need within the software. It's a SAS model. So we talked about this last time, but it's, you know, depending on the feature set and the task vo…”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 8:24
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Naim: Onfleet customers pay an average of 20 cents per task
“So our average across all of our customers paying about 20 cents a task. Our highest volume customers are all the way down to, you know, 10 cents a task and lowest volume is, you know, a little higher than 20 cents a task.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 9:56
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Naim: Onfleet processes over 3 million delivery tasks monthly
“We are worth of three million now. So, you know, a 100,000 plus a day.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 10:52
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Naim: Onfleet remains at breakeven as revenue outpaces hiring
“Still breakeven, yeah. I mean, with the growth this year, you know, our revenue has, growth has outpaced our the ability for us to hire.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 11:21
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Naim: Onfleet on track to double 2020 revenue
“This year we're definitely on track to double, probably more than double revenue this year.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 11:54
Disclosure
Naim: Onfleet has raised $5M in equity and nearly $1M in debt
“In equity? Yeah. And we raised close to a million in debt. So mentioned that we, you know, we work with lighter capital. So yeah, that's still the case.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 13:01
Disclosure
Naim: Onfleet targets a new $10M to $15M funding round
“Probably in the 10 to fifteen million range. You know, we don't need a ton of capital. We're super lean operation”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 14:27
Disclosure
Naim: Onfleet targets 65 to 70 employees by end of 2021
“We grow the team, you know, by the end of next year, we'll be probably about 65 or 70 people on the team. And so, and a large, you know, large portion of that will be on sales.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 15:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Naim: Onfleet's annual net revenue retention is 115% to 116%
“Our net revenue retention annually is about a 115, 116%.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 16:40
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Naim: Onfleet's typical gross revenue retention is around 85%
“Typically, you know, we are, our gross annual revenue retention is, is around 85%.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 17:19
Disclosure
Naim: Onfleet is migrating off Gusto after outgrowing the platform
“The last time I actually said Gusto, I think, and we are moving away from Gusto. We've just kind of been reached the point where we're outgrowing them.”
Khaled Naim Sep 29, 2020 ▶ 19:19
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