Mar 2, 2021 · 17m · top-founders

He's Spent $200k+ on MVP, How He Plans To Get First Customers

Brian Ouellette · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 5m spoken
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In this interview, host Nathan Latka speaks with AskMyAdvisor founder Brian Ouellette about building a referral SaaS platform for financial advisors, navigating the risks of spending over $200,000 on development prior to revenue, and strategies for acquiring initial paying customers.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 34% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.0 Guest teaching 1.5 Guest disagreement 2.2 Nathan pushing back 5.7
05100:0010:002:25–4:37 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Brian's Career Background in Finance and Sports Direct Brian gives an extensive monologue recounting his career trajectory from trading floor to financial advising and sports apparel. Nathan allows him to talk for a while before abruptly stepping in to cut off the backstory and demand what he is actually selling today.4:37–7:25 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 The AskMyAdvisor Concept and Client Referral Mechanism Nathan interrogates the mechanics of AskMyAdvisor, pressing Brian on monetization and pricing. When Brian attempts to pivot into PR strategies, Nathan firmly cuts him off to pin down exact price points and whether any beta users are paying.7:25–9:43 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Scaling Ambitions, Proprietary Community, and MVP Costs Brian outlines grandiose goals of reaching 10,000 members and replacing Facebook groups with custom architecture. Nathan directly attacks the discrepancy between Brian's decades of network access and having only seven non-paying beta users, uncovering that Brian has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an MVP.9:45–12:30 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Sponsor Segment: Flippa Company Valuation Tool Following the mid-roll ad read, Nathan delivers blunt SaaS founder advice, telling Brian to stop spending on dev and to validate willingness to pay immediately. Brian defends his insider knowledge but concedes that development ran long.12:30–15:15 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Go-To-Market Strategy, Compliance Review, and Team Structure Nathan presses Brian to name specific media and enterprise compliance partners rather than speaking in vague generalities. Brian describes passing compliance rounds with an unnamed major wealth management firm and managing dev offshore.15:15–16:59 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions A standard, collaborative Famous Five rapid-fire segment where Nathan recaps the business model and concludes with supportive remarks.2:25–4:37 · Guest teaching 2/10 Brian's Career Background in Finance and Sports Direct Brian gives an extensive monologue recounting his career trajectory from trading floor to financial advising and sports apparel. Nathan allows him to talk for a while before abruptly stepping in to cut off the backstory and demand what he is actually selling today.4:37–7:25 · Guest teaching 1/10 The AskMyAdvisor Concept and Client Referral Mechanism Nathan interrogates the mechanics of AskMyAdvisor, pressing Brian on monetization and pricing. When Brian attempts to pivot into PR strategies, Nathan firmly cuts him off to pin down exact price points and whether any beta users are paying.7:25–9:43 · Guest teaching 2/10 Scaling Ambitions, Proprietary Community, and MVP Costs Brian outlines grandiose goals of reaching 10,000 members and replacing Facebook groups with custom architecture. Nathan directly attacks the discrepancy between Brian's decades of network access and having only seven non-paying beta users, uncovering that Brian has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an MVP.9:45–12:30 · Guest teaching 1/10 Sponsor Segment: Flippa Company Valuation Tool Following the mid-roll ad read, Nathan delivers blunt SaaS founder advice, telling Brian to stop spending on dev and to validate willingness to pay immediately. Brian defends his insider knowledge but concedes that development ran long.12:30–15:15 · Guest teaching 2/10 Go-To-Market Strategy, Compliance Review, and Team Structure Nathan presses Brian to name specific media and enterprise compliance partners rather than speaking in vague generalities. Brian describes passing compliance rounds with an unnamed major wealth management firm and managing dev offshore.15:15–16:59 · Guest teaching 1/10 Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions A standard, collaborative Famous Five rapid-fire segment where Nathan recaps the business model and concludes with supportive remarks.2:25–4:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Brian's Career Background in Finance and Sports Direct Brian gives an extensive monologue recounting his career trajectory from trading floor to financial advising and sports apparel. Nathan allows him to talk for a while before abruptly stepping in to cut off the backstory and demand what he is actually selling today.4:37–7:25 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The AskMyAdvisor Concept and Client Referral Mechanism Nathan interrogates the mechanics of AskMyAdvisor, pressing Brian on monetization and pricing. When Brian attempts to pivot into PR strategies, Nathan firmly cuts him off to pin down exact price points and whether any beta users are paying.7:25–9:43 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Scaling Ambitions, Proprietary Community, and MVP Costs Brian outlines grandiose goals of reaching 10,000 members and replacing Facebook groups with custom architecture. Nathan directly attacks the discrepancy between Brian's decades of network access and having only seven non-paying beta users, uncovering that Brian has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an MVP.9:45–12:30 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Sponsor Segment: Flippa Company Valuation Tool Following the mid-roll ad read, Nathan delivers blunt SaaS founder advice, telling Brian to stop spending on dev and to validate willingness to pay immediately. Brian defends his insider knowledge but concedes that development ran long.12:30–15:15 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Go-To-Market Strategy, Compliance Review, and Team Structure Nathan presses Brian to name specific media and enterprise compliance partners rather than speaking in vague generalities. Brian describes passing compliance rounds with an unnamed major wealth management firm and managing dev offshore.15:15–16:59 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions A standard, collaborative Famous Five rapid-fire segment where Nathan recaps the business model and concludes with supportive remarks.2:25–4:37 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Brian's Career Background in Finance and Sports Direct Brian gives an extensive monologue recounting his career trajectory from trading floor to financial advising and sports apparel. Nathan allows him to talk for a while before abruptly stepping in to cut off the backstory and demand what he is actually selling today.4:37–7:25 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 The AskMyAdvisor Concept and Client Referral Mechanism Nathan interrogates the mechanics of AskMyAdvisor, pressing Brian on monetization and pricing. When Brian attempts to pivot into PR strategies, Nathan firmly cuts him off to pin down exact price points and whether any beta users are paying.7:25–9:43 · Nathan pushing back 8/10 Scaling Ambitions, Proprietary Community, and MVP Costs Brian outlines grandiose goals of reaching 10,000 members and replacing Facebook groups with custom architecture. Nathan directly attacks the discrepancy between Brian's decades of network access and having only seven non-paying beta users, uncovering that Brian has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an MVP.9:45–12:30 · Nathan pushing back 8/10 Sponsor Segment: Flippa Company Valuation Tool Following the mid-roll ad read, Nathan delivers blunt SaaS founder advice, telling Brian to stop spending on dev and to validate willingness to pay immediately. Brian defends his insider knowledge but concedes that development ran long.12:30–15:15 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Go-To-Market Strategy, Compliance Review, and Team Structure Nathan presses Brian to name specific media and enterprise compliance partners rather than speaking in vague generalities. Brian describes passing compliance rounds with an unnamed major wealth management firm and managing dev offshore.15:15–16:59 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions A standard, collaborative Famous Five rapid-fire segment where Nathan recaps the business model and concludes with supportive remarks.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 55.1% · guest 44.9%0:00 · Nathan 55.1% · guest 44.9%3:00 · Nathan 6.6% · guest 93.4%3:00 · Nathan 6.6% · guest 93.4%6:00 · Nathan 16.7% · guest 83.3%6:00 · Nathan 16.7% · guest 83.3%9:00 · Nathan 64.5% · guest 35.5%9:00 · Nathan 64.5% · guest 35.5%12:00 · Nathan 19.9% · guest 80.1%12:00 · Nathan 19.9% · guest 80.1%15:00 · Nathan 47.7% · guest 52.3%15:00 · Nathan 47.7% · guest 52.3%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 9:05 Brian pushes back on Nathan's timeline premise

Brian directly rejects Nathan's framing that he has been building this software for decades, clarifying that the codebase is only months old.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 11:59 Nathan urges immediate pre-sales over feature buildout

Nathan refuses to indulge further product talk and forcefully advises Brian to stop pouring money into offshore engineering without collecting credit cards.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 13:29 Brian explains financial compliance bottlenecks

Brian educates Nathan on why financial enterprise sales take months of compliance reviews and why his product's simplicity is specifically engineered to survive institutional clearance.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 11:30 Nathan distinguishes product quality from distribution execution

Nathan demonstrates sharp SaaS operator knowledge by countering Brian's domain expertise arguments with the hard reality of distribution failure.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Brian's Career Background in Finance and Sports Direct 3214 Brian gives an extensive monologue recounting his career trajectory from trading floor to financial advising and sports apparel. Nathan allows him to talk for a while before abruptly stepping in to cut off the backstory and demand what he is actually selling today.
The AskMyAdvisor Concept and Client Referral Mechanism 5126 Nathan interrogates the mechanics of AskMyAdvisor, pressing Brian on monetization and pricing. When Brian attempts to pivot into PR strategies, Nathan firmly cuts him off to pin down exact price points and whether any beta users are paying.
Scaling Ambitions, Proprietary Community, and MVP Costs 6248 Brian outlines grandiose goals of reaching 10,000 members and replacing Facebook groups with custom architecture. Nathan directly attacks the discrepancy between Brian's decades of network access and having only seven non-paying beta users, uncovering that Brian has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an MVP.
Sponsor Segment: Flippa Company Valuation Tool 7138 Following the mid-roll ad read, Nathan delivers blunt SaaS founder advice, telling Brian to stop spending on dev and to validate willingness to pay immediately. Brian defends his insider knowledge but concedes that development ran long.
Go-To-Market Strategy, Compliance Review, and Team Structure 6226 Nathan presses Brian to name specific media and enterprise compliance partners rather than speaking in vague generalities. Brian describes passing compliance rounds with an unnamed major wealth management firm and managing dev offshore.
Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions 3112 A standard, collaborative Famous Five rapid-fire segment where Nathan recaps the business model and concludes with supportive remarks.

Statements from this episode (10)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ouellette: Only 2,500 of 15,000 sports agents actively represent clients
“There's only about 2500 of them who actually have clients, right? Even though there's 10, 15,000, say they're sports agents.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 4:25
Insight
Ouellette: A professional's top clients drive more referrals than agents
“Your best set of influence is not these sports agents, though they're great. It's your top 10 to 15 clients. And your top 10 to 15 clients already have a reach of thousands of people.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 4:38
Disclosure
Ouellette: AskMyAdvisor has about seven beta testers
“We've got about seven people beta testing.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 5:57
Disclosure
Ouellette: AskMyAdvisor charges $1,497 annually or $147 monthly
“So we've got, it's an annual access fee, which is 1497 for the year. And then the annual other, the monthly fee is one 47 a month.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 6:47
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Ouellette aims to grow AskMyAdvisor to 10,000 members by June
“I want to have by June. I want to have 10,000 members in this. I want 2500 accounts, 2500 attorney, 2500 financial advisors, 2500 realtors.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 7:46
Disclosure
Ouellette: AskMyAdvisor's bootstrapped MVP development has cost six figures
“It's six figures. I mean, it's a significant investment. And it's a four figure investment every single week on this thing developing. And that's been going since September, and it's bootstrapped.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 9:30
Disclosure
Ouellette: AskMyAdvisor is pre-revenue and has not activated paid pricing
“I haven't rolled it out to pay yet. I mean, that's the whole, that's my issue that, and that's one of the reasons you've been, you've had some you know, last couple of webinars have been really good because I've gone so into the development side. Now I got to …”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 11:45
Disclosure
Ouellette: AskMyAdvisor is in round three of compliance with a major firm
“I'm also in my third round of compliance with a major I'm not going to say who it is because I know you're going to ask me it's one of the top investment firms. That we're rolling through compliance right now.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 13:29
Disclosure
Ouellette: AskMyAdvisor operates with just the founder and one developer in India
“It's all me, and I got my developer in in India.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 14:12
Disclosure
Ouellette claims AskMyAdvisor can scale to 100,000 members without hiring
“Once we get 100,000 of members, and you bring people in to manage that, but this is designed to run itself.”
Brian Ouellette Mar 2, 2021 ▶ 14:35
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