Aug 1, 2023 · 25m · top-founders

Coro Breaks $25m ARR, Hits $600m Valuation Growing 300% YoY in CyberSecurity for Mid Market Space

Dror Liwer · 15m spoken Nathan Latka · 7m spoken
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In this interview, host Nathan Latka speaks with Coro co-founder Dror Liwer about scaling an all-in-one mid-market cybersecurity platform past $18 million in ARR and raising $75 million at a $600 million valuation. Liwer breaks down Coro's triple-digit annual growth, three-pronged go-to-market strategy, channel partner economics, and efficient SaaS metrics.

How this conversation actually went

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Nathan as informed peer 6.5 Guest teaching 2.9 Guest disagreement 1.4 Nathan pushing back 4.1
05100:0010:0020:001:25–4:27 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Mid-Market Cybersecurity Demand and Growth Drivers Nathan verifies past ARR milestones and calculates the implied revenue target for 300% growth. Dror explains mid-market cybersecurity vulnerabilities using an automated burglar metaphor.4:27–7:18 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Tripling Customer Count Across Three Go-to-Market Channels Nathan presses Dror on customer acquisition breakdown, asking for specific partner names and sales rep headcount allocations. Dror clarifies the direct outbound team size and introduces technology partnerships like ComplyAuto.7:19–10:46 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Channel Partner Economics and Automated Stack Efficiency Nathan challenges Dror on whether discounted channel pricing risks cannibalizing Coro's direct sales. Dror explains why channel leverage and automated stack efficiencies make channel partner margins advantageous.10:47–13:36 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Price Increases, Customer Seat Expansion, and ACV Dynamics Nathan catches a mathematical conflict between total customer count and a $9,500 ACV, pointing out that it would equal $128M in revenue. Dror clarifies that the $9,500 figure represents the rolling average of newly signed accounts rather than the blended historical base.13:36–16:21 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 2023 Revenue Trajectory and $75M Series C-2 Fundraising Nathan calculates quarterly ARR targets required to achieve 300% growth and inquires about board pressure. Dror reveals an unannounced $75M Series C-2 fundraise at a higher valuation.16:21–19:28 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Valuation Multiples, Operational Consistency, and Historical Background Nathan points out multiple compression from 41x to roughly 25x ARR and asks if raising at aggressive multiples creates risk. Dror defends the valuation based on Coro hitting 12 consecutive quarters of execution targets.19:29–21:59 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Capital Deployment, Retention Metrics, CAC Payback, and LTV Nathan tests unit economics, comparing CAC payback periods, net retention figures, and projected LTV. Dror confirms 106% net dollar retention and multi-year cohort longevity.21:59–25:12 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Headcount Expansion and Chicago Sales Hub Growth Nathan conducts the Famous Five lightning round, lightly poking fun at Dror's four-hour sleep schedule. Dror shares details about the Chicago office expansion and personal background.1:25–4:27 · Guest teaching 3/10 Mid-Market Cybersecurity Demand and Growth Drivers Nathan verifies past ARR milestones and calculates the implied revenue target for 300% growth. Dror explains mid-market cybersecurity vulnerabilities using an automated burglar metaphor.4:27–7:18 · Guest teaching 2/10 Tripling Customer Count Across Three Go-to-Market Channels Nathan presses Dror on customer acquisition breakdown, asking for specific partner names and sales rep headcount allocations. Dror clarifies the direct outbound team size and introduces technology partnerships like ComplyAuto.7:19–10:46 · Guest teaching 4/10 Channel Partner Economics and Automated Stack Efficiency Nathan challenges Dror on whether discounted channel pricing risks cannibalizing Coro's direct sales. Dror explains why channel leverage and automated stack efficiencies make channel partner margins advantageous.10:47–13:36 · Guest teaching 5/10 Price Increases, Customer Seat Expansion, and ACV Dynamics Nathan catches a mathematical conflict between total customer count and a $9,500 ACV, pointing out that it would equal $128M in revenue. Dror clarifies that the $9,500 figure represents the rolling average of newly signed accounts rather than the blended historical base.13:36–16:21 · Guest teaching 3/10 2023 Revenue Trajectory and $75M Series C-2 Fundraising Nathan calculates quarterly ARR targets required to achieve 300% growth and inquires about board pressure. Dror reveals an unannounced $75M Series C-2 fundraise at a higher valuation.16:21–19:28 · Guest teaching 3/10 Valuation Multiples, Operational Consistency, and Historical Background Nathan points out multiple compression from 41x to roughly 25x ARR and asks if raising at aggressive multiples creates risk. Dror defends the valuation based on Coro hitting 12 consecutive quarters of execution targets.19:29–21:59 · Guest teaching 2/10 Capital Deployment, Retention Metrics, CAC Payback, and LTV Nathan tests unit economics, comparing CAC payback periods, net retention figures, and projected LTV. Dror confirms 106% net dollar retention and multi-year cohort longevity.21:59–25:12 · Guest teaching 1/10 Headcount Expansion and Chicago Sales Hub Growth Nathan conducts the Famous Five lightning round, lightly poking fun at Dror's four-hour sleep schedule. Dror shares details about the Chicago office expansion and personal background.1:25–4:27 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Mid-Market Cybersecurity Demand and Growth Drivers Nathan verifies past ARR milestones and calculates the implied revenue target for 300% growth. Dror explains mid-market cybersecurity vulnerabilities using an automated burglar metaphor.4:27–7:18 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Tripling Customer Count Across Three Go-to-Market Channels Nathan presses Dror on customer acquisition breakdown, asking for specific partner names and sales rep headcount allocations. Dror clarifies the direct outbound team size and introduces technology partnerships like ComplyAuto.7:19–10:46 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Channel Partner Economics and Automated Stack Efficiency Nathan challenges Dror on whether discounted channel pricing risks cannibalizing Coro's direct sales. Dror explains why channel leverage and automated stack efficiencies make channel partner margins advantageous.10:47–13:36 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Price Increases, Customer Seat Expansion, and ACV Dynamics Nathan catches a mathematical conflict between total customer count and a $9,500 ACV, pointing out that it would equal $128M in revenue. Dror clarifies that the $9,500 figure represents the rolling average of newly signed accounts rather than the blended historical base.13:36–16:21 · Guest disagreement 1/10 2023 Revenue Trajectory and $75M Series C-2 Fundraising Nathan calculates quarterly ARR targets required to achieve 300% growth and inquires about board pressure. Dror reveals an unannounced $75M Series C-2 fundraise at a higher valuation.16:21–19:28 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Valuation Multiples, Operational Consistency, and Historical Background Nathan points out multiple compression from 41x to roughly 25x ARR and asks if raising at aggressive multiples creates risk. Dror defends the valuation based on Coro hitting 12 consecutive quarters of execution targets.19:29–21:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Capital Deployment, Retention Metrics, CAC Payback, and LTV Nathan tests unit economics, comparing CAC payback periods, net retention figures, and projected LTV. Dror confirms 106% net dollar retention and multi-year cohort longevity.21:59–25:12 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Headcount Expansion and Chicago Sales Hub Growth Nathan conducts the Famous Five lightning round, lightly poking fun at Dror's four-hour sleep schedule. Dror shares details about the Chicago office expansion and personal background.1:25–4:27 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Mid-Market Cybersecurity Demand and Growth Drivers Nathan verifies past ARR milestones and calculates the implied revenue target for 300% growth. Dror explains mid-market cybersecurity vulnerabilities using an automated burglar metaphor.4:27–7:18 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Tripling Customer Count Across Three Go-to-Market Channels Nathan presses Dror on customer acquisition breakdown, asking for specific partner names and sales rep headcount allocations. Dror clarifies the direct outbound team size and introduces technology partnerships like ComplyAuto.7:19–10:46 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Channel Partner Economics and Automated Stack Efficiency Nathan challenges Dror on whether discounted channel pricing risks cannibalizing Coro's direct sales. Dror explains why channel leverage and automated stack efficiencies make channel partner margins advantageous.10:47–13:36 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Price Increases, Customer Seat Expansion, and ACV Dynamics Nathan catches a mathematical conflict between total customer count and a $9,500 ACV, pointing out that it would equal $128M in revenue. Dror clarifies that the $9,500 figure represents the rolling average of newly signed accounts rather than the blended historical base.13:36–16:21 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 2023 Revenue Trajectory and $75M Series C-2 Fundraising Nathan calculates quarterly ARR targets required to achieve 300% growth and inquires about board pressure. Dror reveals an unannounced $75M Series C-2 fundraise at a higher valuation.16:21–19:28 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Valuation Multiples, Operational Consistency, and Historical Background Nathan points out multiple compression from 41x to roughly 25x ARR and asks if raising at aggressive multiples creates risk. Dror defends the valuation based on Coro hitting 12 consecutive quarters of execution targets.19:29–21:59 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Capital Deployment, Retention Metrics, CAC Payback, and LTV Nathan tests unit economics, comparing CAC payback periods, net retention figures, and projected LTV. Dror confirms 106% net dollar retention and multi-year cohort longevity.21:59–25:12 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Headcount Expansion and Chicago Sales Hub Growth Nathan conducts the Famous Five lightning round, lightly poking fun at Dror's four-hour sleep schedule. Dror shares details about the Chicago office expansion and personal background.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 61.4% · guest 38.6%0:00 · Nathan 61.4% · guest 38.6%3:00 · Nathan 15% · guest 85%3:00 · Nathan 15% · guest 85%6:00 · Nathan 29.4% · guest 70.6%6:00 · Nathan 29.4% · guest 70.6%9:00 · Nathan 15.2% · guest 84.8%9:00 · Nathan 15.2% · guest 84.8%12:00 · Nathan 40.1% · guest 59.9%12:00 · Nathan 40.1% · guest 59.9%15:00 · Nathan 28.8% · guest 71.2%15:00 · Nathan 28.8% · guest 71.2%18:00 · Nathan 27.9% · guest 72.1%18:00 · Nathan 27.9% · guest 72.1%21:00 · Nathan 24.9% · guest 75.1%21:00 · Nathan 24.9% · guest 75.1%24:00 · Nathan 54.2% · guest 45.8%24:00 · Nathan 54.2% · guest 45.8%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 17:50 Dror defends aggressive valuation multiple

Dror rejects Nathan's skepticism regarding multiple compression, insisting the multiple remains stellar in a down market and is justified by operational execution.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 12:44 Nathan challenges impossible portfolio revenue math

Nathan directly halts the discussion to point out that multiplying 13,500 customers by $9,500 yields $128M ARR, refusing to accept the number as a blended average.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:58 Dror clarifies rolling cohort vs portfolio ACV

Dror educates Nathan on how SaaS metric tracking distinguishes rolling averages of incoming cohorts from blended historical customer averages.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 17:41 Nathan calculates multiple compression to 25x

Nathan counters Dror's optimism by calculating on the fly that Coro's revenue multiple compressed from 41x to roughly 25x in the new round.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Mid-Market Cybersecurity Demand and Growth Drivers 6312 Nathan verifies past ARR milestones and calculates the implied revenue target for 300% growth. Dror explains mid-market cybersecurity vulnerabilities using an automated burglar metaphor.
Tripling Customer Count Across Three Go-to-Market Channels 5213 Nathan presses Dror on customer acquisition breakdown, asking for specific partner names and sales rep headcount allocations. Dror clarifies the direct outbound team size and introduces technology partnerships like ComplyAuto.
Channel Partner Economics and Automated Stack Efficiency 7426 Nathan challenges Dror on whether discounted channel pricing risks cannibalizing Coro's direct sales. Dror explains why channel leverage and automated stack efficiencies make channel partner margins advantageous.
Price Increases, Customer Seat Expansion, and ACV Dynamics 8527 Nathan catches a mathematical conflict between total customer count and a $9,500 ACV, pointing out that it would equal $128M in revenue. Dror clarifies that the $9,500 figure represents the rolling average of newly signed accounts rather than the blended historical base.
2023 Revenue Trajectory and $75M Series C-2 Fundraising 7314 Nathan calculates quarterly ARR targets required to achieve 300% growth and inquires about board pressure. Dror reveals an unannounced $75M Series C-2 fundraise at a higher valuation.
Valuation Multiples, Operational Consistency, and Historical Background 8337 Nathan points out multiple compression from 41x to roughly 25x ARR and asks if raising at aggressive multiples creates risk. Dror defends the valuation based on Coro hitting 12 consecutive quarters of execution targets.
Capital Deployment, Retention Metrics, CAC Payback, and LTV 7202 Nathan tests unit economics, comparing CAC payback periods, net retention figures, and projected LTV. Dror confirms 106% net dollar retention and multi-year cohort longevity.
Headcount Expansion and Chicago Sales Hub Growth 4112 Nathan conducts the Famous Five lightning round, lightly poking fun at Dror's four-hour sleep schedule. Dror shares details about the Chicago office expansion and personal background.

Statements from this episode (21)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Liwer: Coro beat its $18M run rate target by end of 2022
“We did beat our goal.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 1:39
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro achieved 300% YoY revenue growth for four consecutive years
“Our growth, which has been 300% year over year for the past four years straight with this year expected to be yet another 300% growth.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 2:32
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Coro expects to surpass a $40M run rate by December 2023
“Yeah, so our expectation is to beat that number.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 3:04
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro triples its paying customer base to roughly 13,500
“So it's triple that.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 4:41
Disclosure
Coro employs about 80 direct outbound sales reps
“Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit. It's more like 80 because we I'm mixing up some of the direct with the with the channel.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 5:22
Disclosure
ComplyAuto co-brands Coro's cybersecurity software for automotive compliance
“So an example is a company called ComplyAuto. They provide compliance software to the automotive industry. So now they also offer security compliance, and that's really us. We are the underlying issue. It's not white-labeled. It's co-branded, call it.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 6:23
Disclosure
Liwer: Coro embraces partner discounting to leverage sales multipliers
“We're not in the we're not competing with our partners in any way. We actually prefer that our partners win because from our perspective, you know, there is a much, a very strong sales multiplier when you're using partners.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 8:02
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro's AI removes over 95% of human security stack management
“We've removed more than 95% of the human element through AI, through automation”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 9:57
Disclosure
Coro raised its per-user pricing from $6 to $8.99
“So last time we spoke, our prices were at about, I think they were about six dollars per user. Now they're at about eight 99 per user.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 11:06
Disclosure
Coro's average new customer size grew from 150 to 700 seats
“So now we're seeing Customers that are more in the 700 seat range. Whereas when we last spoke, the range was more about a 152 hundred maybe.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 11:22
Disclosure
Coro has seven-figure partner accounts but no million-dollar direct customers
“Well, if you look at our partners like MSPs or master agents, then they would be considered seven digits because they come with a bunch of seats. You know, they come with, you know, three, 4000 seats, 10,000 seats sometimes. So those are big accounts, but as a…”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 11:58
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro beat its Q1 2023 revenue target by about 8%
“So in Q one we beat our number by about eight percent, which was a great thing.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 14:08
Assertion Supported
Coro raised an additional $75M in Series C-2 funding
“We raised an additional 75 as a C-two.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 15:02
Assertion Supported
Coro raised its Series C-2 round at a 20% higher valuation
“The last valuation was about 20% higher than a year ago that you knew about the eighty million.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 15:51
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Liwer: Coro hit quarterly commitments for 12 consecutive quarters
“You're looking at the potential, the growth moving forward, and being that we were able to hit our quarterly commitments for 48 48 months. [1131] Dror Liwer: For 12, I'm sorry, for 12 quarters, 48 months I meant for 12 quarters straight it gives a lot of confi…”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 18:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro has grown to nearly 300 full-time employees
“Just under 300. I think we're 290 something. So we're about to hit the 300 number.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 19:34
Disclosure
Coro is actively seeking strategic acquisitions to expand its product portfolio
“We're definitely looking into potential acquisitions to increase our portfolio through acquisition. So both organic and inorganic.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 20:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro maintains a net dollar retention rate of approximately 106%
“Yes. We're at about a 106.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 20:54
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro maintains a customer acquisition cost payback period of eight months
“So normally our cost of acquisition is about eight months. Which is in line with what the SaaS industry is is all about.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 21:06
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro's 2019 customer cohort remains fully active after four years
“Our lifetime value though is a lot more than that because normally so, so the cohort that signed up with us in 20 19 is still with us today. So so far we're running a four year a four year lifespan and hopefully it's going to be even longer.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 21:22
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Coro employs over 200 people at its Chicago sales center
“And both we've, we have a massive office in Chicago right now. This is where our sales center is. So we have well over 200 people just there.”
Dror Liwer Aug 1, 2023 ▶ 22:21
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