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Levie: Software jobs are easy compared to 90% of other work
“This is like, not like particularly like hard, you know, work of, you know, like, 90% of the jobs that I see.”
Levie: Software vendors will increasingly look like professional services firms
“Like, I think we're all going to increasingly look almost like professional services companies, probably to some extent, because you're bringing now solutions to the customer as opposed to just a use our software. Hopefully you have the people to implement it.…”
Levie: AI coding tools will build strong moats via deep codebase context
“I'm actually very bullish right now. You know, there's like a little bit of a meme of like these AI coding tools. You can just swap them out. I think that's like a temporary thing that you'll see on Twitter or X or whatever. I think the mode is actually fantas…”
Levie: The defining AI platforms will be permanently cemented within two years
“This is a window in the next couple of years where I think we'll have the defining platforms get built and effectively cemented, assuming that they stay current, right? If you, if you're asleep at the wheel in this space, it's over, right? You only have, you c…”
Levie: Model Context Protocol integrations enhance rather than erode enterprise software moats
“I would actually argue that MCP is a thing that only enhances the underlying moat. Because data wants to be free. That doesn't mean that there's no moat around managing the data and making it useful. It wants to be incorporated in some other workflow. So for u…”
Levie: A 6x to 8x revenue multiple is healthy for profitable SaaS
“You do want it to be kind of just healthy to be at a six or eight X revenue multiple, and I make, I'm making up those numbers, but like, but that, you know, that tends to be a safe range if you assume the company's going to get 20, 30, 40% operating margin, gr…”
Levie: Embedding uncapped AI risks exploding costs due to power law usage
“The alternative model is you just say, hey, we're just going to embed AI into everything. And then you're like, well, shoot, now my costs just explode. And also equally, you have this, like, you know, disadvantage, which is the power user is being subsidized b…”
Levie: Enterprise AI budgets only account for 1-10% of IT spend
“There's no AI budget per se. When I, and when I referenced that, it's sort of like, there's every, everybody has like just some discretionary dollars for, you know, some R and D or innovation thing. And so that's probably right now the totality of the kind of …”
Levie: SaaS growth is primarily a function of scaling investment
“Once you understand that dynamic, then actually the, your growth and your scale of your business is actually most functional to how much you invest in, in scaling it up. So once we figured that part out, and once capital was relatively cheap, we just decided, …”
Levie: Public markets have appetite for 100 cloud and mobile IPOs
“What I would say is, is that there's plenty of room For companies that are benefiting from this very clearly secular change toward cloud and mobile. And if you've built a significant business on the back or benefiting from that, then there's maybe room, there'…”
Levie: Inbound software models eliminated the need for immediate verticalization
“In the nineties and you had to sort of top down sell your software to get in, in the first place, then you had to make some really, really key early trade offs. Like you had to actually decide where am I going to get a flywheel effect going? And you don't real…”
Levie: AI transforms software's labor model, not just user interface
“Think about AI is actually a change to the labor model of using the software. So what can you do in a world where you can effectively create digital workers that That can go automate anything, you know, within the confines of your software.”
Levie: Inter-agent communication will completely transform enterprise interoperability
“So the whole idea is what if you can have agents across your enterprise software talk to other agents in other enterprise software And I think for all of us as an ecosystem, this is going to completely change what interoperability looks like, what the future o…”
Levie: Bundling digital labor removes seat limits, expanding software TAMs
“So, so we can now effectively think about our software as having labor attached to it, which for all of us building enterprise software is like a completely mind bending, you know, concept where we're no longer just limited by the number of people that we sell…”
Levie: AI's network effect is user interaction feeding agent capability flywheels
“What is the new network effect in a world of AI? And it's some degree of that user working with an agent to create something by creating something that data feeds back into the agent's futures capabilities. And you get this sort of flywheel that, that ends up …”
Levie: Consumer software is ten times more stressful than enterprise SaaS
“The consumer is just like 10 times more stressful because you don't have recurring revenue at any moment, like one single platform change. You know, can alter the entire dynamics of your business model. You're dealing with the whims and the mercy of the consum…”
Levie: Mature SaaS companies must shift to teen growth and 30%+ margins
“I think we look. Like probably what most companies are gonna have to look like at some point, which is you're probably growing teens. You're probably generating 30 plus percent operating margin. This is sort of the historical norm for software companies, and y…”
Levie: SaaS is lapping enterprise seat contraction, though not entering growth yet
“I mean, you never want to call it the bottom, but it feels like we're lapping the contraction period. That's different from we're going to enter a growth period.”
End users buy specific features, not massive platforms
“Because end users don't want to buy platforms. They want to buy features. And so we got in through the feature and then we were able to ultimately turn that into a platform.”
Box forfeited an estimated $100M in revenue refusing on-premise deployments
“We were multi-tenant from day one, and we made no exceptions to that. So when customers said, hey, can I go run this inside my data center? We said, no, you can't. And we lost, I could probably add up maybe a hundred million in revenue.”
Amazon and Azure's on-premise cloud offerings remain relatively subscale
“Every time that Amazon or Azure or others have launched these sort of on-prem versions of their clouds, these are all relatively subscale versus just the pure public cloud infrastructure benefits that, that, that customers are getting.”
The software PLG model has not fundamentally changed since MySQL in 2003
“He was doing product-led growth in 2003. So like literally like you download MySQL and then they sell you an enterprise version. Yeah. So I, you know, we haven't really changed that much in 18 years collectively as an industry.”
Levie: Box would be a $25M business if it remained a departmental app
“We would be, I don't know, we'd be a twenty-five million dollar business. I mean, it would be a productivity app, and which is, like, completely nothing wrong with a productivity app, believe me but it would not have been able to be in a strategic conversation…”
Levie: Building everything enterprise customers request leads to failure
“A lot of companies confuse getting to know your customer and that customer intimacy with building whatever they ask for. And that's obviously the road to, you know essentially all of the broken enterprise dreams that we've always had”
Levie: Refusing philosophical misaligned features is why Box loses most deals
“Actually this is one of our bigger, one of our biggest categories of why we lose deals is because there's some weird feature that we are philosophically opposed to. Because we think it's going to hinder what the user is trying to accomplish or what the busines…”
Levie: Enterprise software will naturally shift to outcome-based pricing
“The closer we get to conveying those ultimate outcomes, the closer we get to pricing towards those outcomes. I think that will be the natural direction this space goes in.”
Levie: Upgrading to reasoning models instantly replaces a year of custom scaffolding
“The amount of work you would have to do to pack into, let's say, a non-reasoning model for giving it exactly the right sort of context, instructions, kind of hacking and tool use, versus today, just having O-Tree go do that, or having the new Lama IV go and do…”
Levie: Traditional execution matters more as AI dramatically lowers software build costs
“The things that transcend AI will become probably then even more important because they will be the things that separate the sort of flash in the pan, you know, overnight success that then fizzles because the founding team wasn't really in it for the right rea…”
Levie: Box stages COO hires across $500M, $1B, and $2B revenue milestones
“The pattern is Is sort of somebody that can help take box to the next stage of growth at each, you know, kind of commensurate point where, where that, that person's experience is very relevant in, in driving the next stage of growth. And so, you know, we had o…”
Levie: Software companies must ultimately produce cash distributions for investors
“At the sort of final, you know, kind of the terminal point of your business, it's to produce a certain amount of cash that goes back to investors. Like, if you just, like, why would you give a dollar to something? It's because you want cash back at some point.…”
Levie: Box bundles AI natively instead of charging for an add-on
“So actually this is sort of part of our, this is part of our theory on our pricing model is, is let's, let's create an instant win for the customer by just saying box has AI in it. Like, you know, if we were to start box over from scratch in 20, 23, AI would n…”
Levie: Architecture matters more than almost anything in building a platform
“Is architecture matters more than almost anything else you can imagine in that journey. Because if your feature is then completely disconnected to the next feature, and then thus the next feature, then you really aren't on your way to building a platform.”
Levie: Enterprise CEOs should prioritize customer expansion as much as net-new logos
“You align your time with where the, ultimately the dollars are gonna come from, and so, in the base, we often will have lots of customers that have significant expansion opportunity, and that can look as important or be as important as a net new, you know, log…”
Most enterprise IT spend goes to decade-old legacy software vendors
“If you literally look at people's vendor stack, and if you were to go interview any CIO of any top 10,000 enterprise, the majority of their dollars are going into brand names, That, that existed a decade ago.”
Levie: Disruption works by consolidating existing category spend into one suite
“The more you can be taking existing spend, existing categories, but just changing the variables a bit, so they favor your strategy. So what we do is we go to customers and we say, what if you had one solution that did all of these things, as opposed to buying …”
Levie: Traditional ECM was never a strategic buy for enterprise CIOs
“ECM was never a strategic, ah, buy for the CIO. That was actually still, like, one level below the CIO. The CIO was ERP, CRM, core infrastructure, those kinds of major applications.”
Levie: Box has built one-off features for only six of 44,000 customers
“Out of 44,000 customers. We may have done that half a dozen times.”
Levie: Box prioritized unlocking higher customer tiers over lower-tier refinements
“We've met at many moments built something that was necessary for one tier of customer that didn't break our product for anybody, but maybe we had to prioritize getting to that next tier versus maybe the 95th percentile thing that we wanted to do on, on the tie…”
Levie: Vertical workflow SaaS can out-earn horizontal platforms per customer
“If you're building a deep industry workflow, you actually could make more money from that customer than we can.”
Levie: Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen is world-class at balancing cash cows and growth
“To your point about Adobe, I'd say Chanteneau is, is world-class on, On, you know, sort of take advantage of the cash cow, but still, still make sure you're in growth markets and buying your way or building your way into those markets.”
Levie: Box closed 74 deals over $100k last quarter primarily via expansion
“Last quarter we did, I don't know, 74 deals over a 100,000 dollars, so it's, that's a fraction of those deals. And you still have so many more that are just, they've adopted more of the product, and we have an incredible, you know, account executive that goes …”