Varun Anand
Co-founder & Head of Operations, Clay · 1 appearance on the record.
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Varun Anand is the co-founder and Head of Operations at Clay, an AI-powered go-to-market and data enrichment platform. He previously held leadership roles at Newfront and Candid.
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Anand: Clay pioneered usage-based pricing in sales tech in 2022
“We were a usage-based pricing model in twenty-twenty-two. At the time, it was fairly controversial because everything in sales tech was per seat. Now it's obviously changed with AI, so it's changed. But I think we were at the vanguard of that.”
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Anand: Prospective users should drive sales demos to build self-serve confidence
“We would have these, like, reverse demo conversations where I wouldn't traditionally demo the software. Basically, they would demo, like, they would demo it themselves. Like, they would sign up Share the screen, do the flow. I would help them do the individual…”
Anand: Platform fees are flawed pricing mechanisms that procurement teams challenge
“First, platform fees are inherently challenged. They are not great pricing mechanisms, and the reason for this is, first, it doesn't scale. After the first year, you want to keep raising the price because you want to, you know, you want to create more margin. …”
Clay combines AE, SDR, and sales engineer into one GTM engineering role
“We do sales through this, you know, we call it go-to-market engineering. And so this is collapsing three different roles into one. An AE, an SDR, and a sales engineer all into one role. And this is a person who's a bit more technical and background, who is goo…”
Anand: Investing in brand creates alpha for B2B software startups
“When you look at other B to B software, no one invests in it. And so when you have something that no one invests in, And everything kind of looks the same. A lot of early stage software is just about standing out. Because you're trying to make news about somet…”
Anand: Managers lose if an employee has to ask for a raise
“If someone on your team comes to you, you've already lost the game because they have been thinking about this. I promise you for weeks, if not months, because it takes a lot of courage and bravery to like go up to your manager or the founder and ask for more m…”
Anand: Clay manually invoiced customers via Stripe until hitting $1M ARR
“In January of 23, I mean, it'll be interesting to share that, like, we didn't have billing in the product. You couldn't pay for Clayton in the product until past a million in ARR. Until a million in ARR, I was just sending Stripe invoices to people, which was …”
Anand: Usage pricing unlocks higher contract value than seat-based SaaS
“When you're not doing seat-based, you're doing a value-based sale, and you are pricing in this usage way, you can price more aggressively. And that probably enables you to go way higher over time as you generate more value. In a way that most seat-based pricin…”
Clay rejects outsourced support in favor of premium technical in-house staff
“Our support team is super technical and this leads, we don't have like an outsourced support team in India or the Philippines. And this leads to the fact that sure we're paying a premium for these people, but they're delivering extremely high quality support t…”
Anand: Work trials identify high-slope talent better than behavioral interviews
“It's heavily weighted to work trials and take homes. We like give them a chance to focus on that. It's much harder, obviously, to do a behavioral interview where you go in a methodical way through their background and kind of identify what they've accomplished…”
Anand: UX iteration cut Clay's sales cycle from seven demos to one
“And you can imagine that compounded over seven months is kind of how we went from these initial sales calls. We're taking like seven demos to get someone to pay two, 300 a month. To January, February of, where it was taking one call or even none.”
Anand: Sales-led motions require at least $5k-$10k annual contracts
“At minimum, it has to be a five K, 10 K annual contract to make a sales of motion work.”
Anand: Clay pioneered usage-based pricing in sales tech in 2022
“We were a usage-based pricing model in twenty-twenty-two. At the time, it was fairly controversial because everything in sales tech was per seat. Now it's obviously changed with AI, so it's changed. But I think we were at the vanguard of that.”
Clay kept a waitlist until reaching multiple millions in ARR in July 2023
“We actually launched a product in February, 20, 20 to remove the waitlist. Two months later, put the waitlist back on. And then we didn't remove the waitlist until multiple millions of ARR in, you know, July of 20, 23.”
Anand: Clay adopted a Snowflake-inspired pure credit pricing model in 2024
“And that brings us to the fall of 24, where we basically bundled all of this. I took a lot of inspiration From Snowflake's pricing model, and we basically bundled all of this into the credits, and bundled the platform fee, and the support, and all these things…”
Anand: Seat-based SaaS has an easier path from self-serve to enterprise
“I think that companies like Notion and Figma have a clearer path to going from self-serve to enterprise because it's seat-based. You're expanding from team to team. You can go to IT and you can make an easy, compelling case, and it's, and there's a lot of prec…”
Anand: Clay rarely converts self-serve accounts into enterprise contracts
“We don't have that many examples of self-serve customers turning into enterprise customers. A lot of these enterprise customers are coming in cold. And so you don't have that many complementary effects from it. You're almost doing a sale from scratch, and you …”
Anand: Anthropic tripled inbound enrichment rates using Clay
“Like Anthropic used us to automate all their inbound at scale and triple their enrichment rates on that and finding way more leads through that.”
Clay benchmarks events and social media pay against growth marketing
“For our business, events and social media are really important. This is how we grow. So for us, I don't look to events and social media as a benchmark. I look to growth marketing.”
Anand: Clay's early non-ICP customers churned within a year
“Maybe 10, 20, 25 paying customers, any of whom were paying somewhere between 30 a month to 200 a month. The true answer is really zero, because all of those people were not ICP, and all of them, or maybe all of them, with the exception of two or three, churned…”
Anand: Google Maps integration won Clay 50-60 Fractal portfolio companies
“That one integration basically helped us win the business of those, like, 50 or 60 companies that we would methodically go through.”
Anand: Rippling expanded spend with Clay from hundreds to thousands in eight weeks
“And they went from a self-serve customer paying a few hundred a month To paying several thousand dollars a month in like an eight week times period.”
Anand: Clay has 50 community clubs globally
“We have, you know, 50 different clay clubs hosting community events all around the world from Bangalore to Sydney to Toronto.”
Anand: Clay's first enterprise deals charged $60K and $84K for services
“Our first answer to that was incorrect. And it was, what if we do it for you? Because our customers were telling us, Hey, I would pay you this much money, but you should just build all this for me. And so basically they were asking for professional services. A…”
Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Clay's unconventional path to $1.25B: Rethinking GTM, pricing, and enterprise sales | Varu | Jan 23, 2025 | 49m |