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Hochschuler: Unilever initiated unsolicited acquisition talks with Talenti in 2013
“Unilever actually came to us. They came to us in 13, they said this is the call you've been waiting for, and said, we want to buy your business, and we're like, well, it's not for sale. We're not selling. And that started this, at least a year, I think it was …”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 59:46 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Opinion
Argentine gelato preserves century-old Italian formulations and styles
“So the way I describe it is that Argentinian gelato is the way Italian gelato used to be a very long time ago, a hundred years ago.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 10:24 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Disclosure
Hochschuler pitched 110 friends and family for Talenti; 95 rejected him
“A business plan I had built, which was one of the longest business plans you could ever imagine, and the vast majority, probably 95 of them or so, said no.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 20:04 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Disclosure
Hochschuler raised nearly $600,000 to launch the first Talenti store in Dallas
“I think my goal was 600 grand. I think I got close to it. Maybe I was a little bit shy, but it was around there.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 21:07 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Disclosure
Talenti's first retail store failed because customers only bought two-dollar cups
“The problem is the average ticket. The small size was, let's say, two dollars, and almost everyone was just buying that, and the store itself was quite large, and there was a lot of overhead, and the business model was built on there being a considerable amoun…”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 23:24 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hochschuler: Talenti held $200K–$300K in debt upon closing storefront
“Probably something like that, like two to 300,000, as long as you don't consider the fact that at the time there was a lease, right?”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 30:30 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Disclosure
Hochschuler funded Talenti using 16 zero-percent credit cards and a second mortgage
“I had like 16 of those that I built up. I got I was able to buy a house with like five percent down a little house. And then I took a second mortgage out on that and then put it into the business.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 31:25 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Not checkable as stated
A major client liquidated a massive Talenti order before declaring bankruptcy
“So towards the end, before they went bankrupt, they ordered this huge order, like, way larger than normal. They received it, and then they marked it way down, and sold it off, but I never got paid.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 37:23 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hochschuler took a $70,000 personal loan to cover payroll despite heavy debt
“I think it was more than that. I think it was like 70 or 80,000 dollars, but it was way more than they probably should have given me, but they did.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 39:41 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Disclosure
Investors Steve Gill and Eddie Phillips bought out Talenti's original storefront backers
“So their balance sheets helped with getting approvals on those things and so, but yeah, they put in money and they bought out all of my original storefront investors.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 47:08 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hochschuler: Steve Gill and Eddie Phillips funded Talenti through 2008-2009 crisis
“So the end of oh eight till through oh nine, let's call it. And that was the period of needing to Live to see another day, and those two gentlemen, for the most part funding that.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 50:14 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Talenti employees manually hand-filled every gelato jar until around 2012
“We did not automate. You had to hold the cup underneath the spigot. It was like a, it was like in the kitchen faucet and fill and then put the lid on and then keep doing that one by one by one by one. Yes. And we had multiple of these machines, so we were not …”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 52:25 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Talenti won Publix distribution by pledging $500,000 in local radio ads
“He said, well, how much are you going to spend on the radio? He says, 500,000 dollars. So we ended up getting the business after that meeting, and Steve calls me, and he says Good news, bad news. Good news is I got us in. And I'm like, oh, amazing, amazing. He…”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 55:36 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Supported
Talenti reached $245 million in annual sales by the end of 2016
“And so by the end of 16, we had hit two hundred and forty five million in sales, and it was extremely profitable, and they got what they paid for.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 1:05:01 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Disclosure
Hochschuler sold Talenti to his partner for $20 every Passover
“During Passover, there's certain rules, you're not allowed to own certain things, one of them being food that you're not allowed to eat during that period, so I would have to sell him the business and He would have to give me 20 dollars and have a handshake”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 1:09:17 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hochschuler: US gelato was limited to mom-and-pop shops in the early 2000s
“And especially at the time, you could buy gelato in places that had one or two stores, kind of a mom-and-pop type style, but it was pretty new. It was like cutting edge. At the time.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 15:35 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Supported
Hochschuler: Gelato has lower butterfat and higher solids than ice cream
“It also has much, much lower fat. It could be half the amount of butter fat. And then it has really high solids, so you, you're avoiding water, and that lends itself to texture and flavor.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 19:20 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Disclosure
Hochschuler named Talenti after Bernardo Buontalenti, the 16th-century inventor of gelato
“I was reading a lot about this gentleman, Bernardo Buontalenti from Florence. He lived in the 1500, and he's credited with basically inventing gelato.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 21:37 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Supported
Hochschuler: Whole Foods stores had local purchasing autonomy in 2007
“Whole Foods was way different back then. Each store had a lot of autonomy, and they were able to take us on, so that would be one example.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 40:58 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Assertion Supported
Hochschuler: Talenti's clear jar packaging strategy began in 2004
“The concept of not being in a, in cardboard in a, when there was a sea of cardboard and coming out with something completely different that would hopefully generate trial started pretty early on. It started in no four.”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 42:51 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
Disclosure
Hochschuler began observing the weekly Shabbat in 2006 despite Talenti's vulnerability
“It was about February of 2006 when my wife and I decided that we would start keeping Shabbos”
Josh Hochschuler Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 1:06:39 Talenti: Josh Hochschuler
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