Shan-Lyn Ma

Co-Founder and Co-CEO, Zola · 2 appearances on the record.

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Shan-Lyn Ma is the co-founder and co-CEO of wedding registry and event planning platform Zola. She previously served as Chief Product Officer at Chloe + Isabel and held product leadership roles at Yahoo and Gilt Groupe.

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6 supported 1 partly supported 0 contradicted 4 not checkable as stated how the 11 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

11 assertions · 1 opinion · 8 insights · 5 disclosures · 1 what if · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 11 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 7 are resolved, and 4 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Shan-Lyn argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Apple invited Gilt to build a launch app for the original iPad
“It made Apple then come and ask us, could we be one of the first apps to launch on the iPad device when the iPad launched?”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 17:48 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma

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Everything Shan-Lyn Ma said on How I Built This that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Insight
Ma: Flash sale business models are rarely sustainable or profitable
“I think the, ultimately, the business model of flash sales was one that was very hard to turn into a sustainable, profitable business.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 19:31 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Opinion
Ma: Wedding registries had not meaningfully changed since the 1960s
“The problem was that it hadn't changed in decades since the 19 sixties when they were first invented. It was like someone had taken a registry from the 19 sixties and just put it on the internet and hadn't touched it since.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 30:36 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Insight
Ma: Holding warehouse inventory is structurally unprofitable for wedding registries
“And it's even more impractical in a wedding registry setting because By nature of a registry, you want to offer a very broad assortment, so you want as many brands and products as possible, but you need very little inventory depth, and so that kind of model is…”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 35:11 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Insight
Ma: Series B is hardest because selling dreams is no longer enough
“You know, at the teenage years where you have enough of a track record where you're making money so you can't just sell the dream of what's going to happen, but you're also not yet at maturity where you can show this is going to, this is already a huge company…”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 47:55 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Zola's team leaked Hallmark's ad ban to NYT without executive permission
“The thing that I am most proud of this entire incident, was that the team didn't ask permission to go and tell the New York Times.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 1:00:00 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Insight
Ma: VC disconnect from a pain point does not erase the market
“And just because investors didn't feel personally connected to the pain point, did it mean it didn't exist.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 6:17 How I Built Resilience: Shan-Lyn Ma of Zola
Insight
Shan-Lyn Ma: Product launches are either pushed out or demand-pulled
“I think, you know, in product development, there's almost two kinds of product launches. One is where you push a product out, and then you iterate based on feedback, and then the home store example is more of a example where it's pulled out of your hands by th…”
Shan-Lyn Ma Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 18:05 How I Built Resilience: Shan-Lyn Ma of Zola
Assertion Supported
Apple invited Gilt to build a launch app for the original iPad
“It made Apple then come and ask us, could we be one of the first apps to launch on the iPad device when the iPad launched?”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 17:48 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Nobu Nakaguchi designed Gilt's original iPad app using a cardboard cutout
“What Nobu did to design this was he watched the Apple, there was one Apple TV commercial where they showed an iPad, and he would watch that commercial again and again and freeze frame it to kind of zoom in on what is actually possible on this magical new devic…”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 18:22 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ma: Gilt needed to sell roughly 80% of inventory for profitability
“I don't remember exactly. I think it was something like 80%.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 21:35 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Insight
Ma: Engaged couples wanted permission to break rigid traditional wedding norms
“What We heard was couples felt like they were almost like on this whitewater raft being shuffled down the same path as everyone else, where you had to register a certain way, you had to have your wedding invitation look a certain way, and what they were lookin…”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 40:21 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Supported
Kevin Ryan provided Zola's $250k seed check and joined as co-founder
“Yeah, that first check was 250,000. So he was the first seed investor, but more importantly, he also joined us as a co-founder and chairman of the board, and so brought not just the cash, but also, you know, his experience and advice.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 41:55 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Supported
Ma: Zola raised its Series A one week before product launch
“Yeah, it got us to launch, which was around four to six months, and we actually raised our Series A round the week before we launched.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 42:48 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ma was prevented from working for months by severe car crash injuries
“I was very badly injured in, you know, eight broken ribs, fractured spine broken collarbone, injured lung, liver, bad shape, and was really not able to work for quite some time, for quite a few months after that.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 51:30 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Disclosure
Zola launched a home store after non-wedding consumers shopped during lockdowns
“What was interesting was that certainly in the first four, three to four months, there was less wedding gifts being given. But actually, there was, there still was gifting happening, even though the weddings weren't happening, and what Also helped us during th…”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 1:02:32 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Supported
Ma: Zola raised a Series D round at a $600M valuation
“In 2018, we raised a Series D round, which valued us at six hundred million.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 1:07:07 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Supported
Ma: Americans spend an average of $30,000 on a wedding day
“I think weddings is one of the only times in your life where you spend, on average in this country, 30,000 dollars on one day.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 5:57 How I Built Resilience: Shan-Lyn Ma of Zola
Insight
Ma: Zola forecasts annual revenue accurately using advance wedding dates
“We have great visibility into what our business is going to do each year in terms of revenue, how it will perform, because we can see wedding dates. We can forecast the business very accurately based on that.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 10:46 How I Built Resilience: Shan-Lyn Ma of Zola
Insight
Shan-Lyn Ma: Retailers use wedding registries to acquire lifelong home customers
“The reason why, you know, any normal retailer has a wedding registry is because they hope to then continue to serve that person with things as they move into their newlywed home, and as they can grow as a couple in their home, so that is a very classic strateg…”
Shan-Lyn Ma Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 16:53 How I Built Resilience: Shan-Lyn Ma of Zola
Disclosure
Ma overcomes professional anxiety by visualizing the team she represents
“So to this day, whenever I get nervous about something, what I do is I imagine the faces of the people that I'm representing on my team, and I It makes me feel so much better. Like I have a gang on my side.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 11:00 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Partly supported
Ma: Gilt generated roughly $7M in revenue in its first year
“Yeah, when I started at Guild, it was probably less than 30 people in the business. It had not been live yet for a full year, so it was still the first year of business. I think that first year, the business did something like seven million in revenue.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 16:09 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Disclosure
Ma and Nobu Nakaguchi quit their jobs before having a business idea
“It was nothing yet. We did not have any ideas yet. The idea was, let's quit our jobs first.”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 25:10 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Disclosure
Ma funded early living expenses by juggling zero-interest credit cards
“I took a lot of zero interest credit cards out. I think I had a stack of zero interest credit cards. I also had you know, balance transfers that I would transfer from one card to the other, and I do not recommend this to anyone, but that was part of how I You …”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 36:16 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma
Assertion Supported
Ma: Zola had always featured same-sex couples in its TV advertising
“By that time, we had been doing TV ads for a number of years, and we had always had same-sex couples in all our advertising”
Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 59:07 Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma

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Appearances (2)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Zola: Shan-Lyn Ma Apr 18, 2022 40m
How I Built Resilience: Shan-Lyn Ma of Zola Mar 11, 2021 16m
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