Dec 28, 2017 · 32m · how-i-built-this

Live Episode! The Home Depot: Arthur Blank

Arthur Blank · 21m spoken Guy Raz · 7m spoken
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In this live episode of How I Built This, Arthur Blank shares how he and Bernie Marcus turned a sudden corporate firing into The Home Depot, building it into a retail powerhouse while prioritizing culture, family balance, and civic leadership.

How this conversation actually went

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Guy as informed peer 4.7 Guest teaching 0.9 Guest disagreement 0.3 Guy pushing back 0.3
05100:0010:0020:0030:002:55–4:59 · Guy as informed peer 4/10 Childhood in Flushing and Early Family Tragedy Guy prompts Arthur about his early childhood in Flushing and the death of his father. Arthur shares intimate family stories in an open, warm, and collaborative tone.4:59–8:48 · Guy as informed peer 5/10 Babson College and Transition from Accounting to Business Guy summarizes Arthur's early career at Daylen, but Arthur interjects to clarify that his drugstore division was actually highly profitable rather than collapsing. The exchange remains polite and clarifying.8:48–12:16 · Guy as informed peer 5/10 The Partnership Dynamic with Bernie Marcus Guy demonstrates good research regarding Sanford Sigiloff's takeover and nickname. Arthur recounts the boardroom clashes and sudden firing with humor and storytelling.12:17–15:52 · Guy as informed peer 5/10 Reimagining Hardware: The Genesis of Home Depot Guy asks about the transition from shock to business planning. Arthur shares the famous anecdote of Bernie Marcus telling him to 'change the numbers' to make the financial model work.15:52–18:17 · Guy as informed peer 5/10 Selecting Atlanta as the Launchpad for Growth Guy inquires about choosing Atlanta and opening day. Arthur entertains the live audience with the story of driving around Atlanta's trees and the initial opening day flop.18:19–20:20 · Guy as informed peer 4/10 Mid-Show Station Break and Promo Following the mid-show recap, Arthur explains the turnaround year spent listening directly to customer feedback and adjusting pricing and merchandise.20:21–23:12 · Guy as informed peer 5/10 Defining and Codifying Corporate Values Guy asks how Home Depot sustained exponential growth. Arthur explains why codifying values became vital as the founders could no longer visit every store, citing inspiration from Sam Walton.23:13–26:47 · Guy as informed peer 4/10 Balancing Rapid Growth with Family and Personal Life Guy asks about the personal toll of executive life. Arthur lightly teases Guy before explaining his deliberate effort to maintain work-life balance and his eventual retirement.26:48–29:54 · Guy as informed peer 6/10 Purchasing and Turning Around the Atlanta Falcons Guy pushes into topical territory regarding the Atlanta Falcons and player protests during the national anthem. Arthur navigates the question diplomatically, balancing support for first amendment rights and player platforms.30:01–30:59 · Guy as informed peer 4/10 Reflections on Hard Work, Luck, and Outward Bound Guy asks his signature question on luck versus skill. Arthur attributes success to a mix of luck, timing, and an Outward Bound philosophy of service and resilience.2:55–4:59 · Guest teaching 0/10 Childhood in Flushing and Early Family Tragedy Guy prompts Arthur about his early childhood in Flushing and the death of his father. Arthur shares intimate family stories in an open, warm, and collaborative tone.4:59–8:48 · Guest teaching 3/10 Babson College and Transition from Accounting to Business Guy summarizes Arthur's early career at Daylen, but Arthur interjects to clarify that his drugstore division was actually highly profitable rather than collapsing. The exchange remains polite and clarifying.8:48–12:16 · Guest teaching 1/10 The Partnership Dynamic with Bernie Marcus Guy demonstrates good research regarding Sanford Sigiloff's takeover and nickname. Arthur recounts the boardroom clashes and sudden firing with humor and storytelling.12:17–15:52 · Guest teaching 1/10 Reimagining Hardware: The Genesis of Home Depot Guy asks about the transition from shock to business planning. Arthur shares the famous anecdote of Bernie Marcus telling him to 'change the numbers' to make the financial model work.15:52–18:17 · Guest teaching 1/10 Selecting Atlanta as the Launchpad for Growth Guy inquires about choosing Atlanta and opening day. Arthur entertains the live audience with the story of driving around Atlanta's trees and the initial opening day flop.18:19–20:20 · Guest teaching 1/10 Mid-Show Station Break and Promo Following the mid-show recap, Arthur explains the turnaround year spent listening directly to customer feedback and adjusting pricing and merchandise.20:21–23:12 · Guest teaching 1/10 Defining and Codifying Corporate Values Guy asks how Home Depot sustained exponential growth. Arthur explains why codifying values became vital as the founders could no longer visit every store, citing inspiration from Sam Walton.23:13–26:47 · Guest teaching 0/10 Balancing Rapid Growth with Family and Personal Life Guy asks about the personal toll of executive life. Arthur lightly teases Guy before explaining his deliberate effort to maintain work-life balance and his eventual retirement.26:48–29:54 · Guest teaching 1/10 Purchasing and Turning Around the Atlanta Falcons Guy pushes into topical territory regarding the Atlanta Falcons and player protests during the national anthem. Arthur navigates the question diplomatically, balancing support for first amendment rights and player platforms.30:01–30:59 · Guest teaching 0/10 Reflections on Hard Work, Luck, and Outward Bound Guy asks his signature question on luck versus skill. Arthur attributes success to a mix of luck, timing, and an Outward Bound philosophy of service and resilience.2:55–4:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Childhood in Flushing and Early Family Tragedy Guy prompts Arthur about his early childhood in Flushing and the death of his father. Arthur shares intimate family stories in an open, warm, and collaborative tone.4:59–8:48 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Babson College and Transition from Accounting to Business Guy summarizes Arthur's early career at Daylen, but Arthur interjects to clarify that his drugstore division was actually highly profitable rather than collapsing. The exchange remains polite and clarifying.8:48–12:16 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Partnership Dynamic with Bernie Marcus Guy demonstrates good research regarding Sanford Sigiloff's takeover and nickname. Arthur recounts the boardroom clashes and sudden firing with humor and storytelling.12:17–15:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Reimagining Hardware: The Genesis of Home Depot Guy asks about the transition from shock to business planning. Arthur shares the famous anecdote of Bernie Marcus telling him to 'change the numbers' to make the financial model work.15:52–18:17 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Selecting Atlanta as the Launchpad for Growth Guy inquires about choosing Atlanta and opening day. Arthur entertains the live audience with the story of driving around Atlanta's trees and the initial opening day flop.18:19–20:20 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Mid-Show Station Break and Promo Following the mid-show recap, Arthur explains the turnaround year spent listening directly to customer feedback and adjusting pricing and merchandise.20:21–23:12 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Defining and Codifying Corporate Values Guy asks how Home Depot sustained exponential growth. Arthur explains why codifying values became vital as the founders could no longer visit every store, citing inspiration from Sam Walton.23:13–26:47 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Balancing Rapid Growth with Family and Personal Life Guy asks about the personal toll of executive life. Arthur lightly teases Guy before explaining his deliberate effort to maintain work-life balance and his eventual retirement.26:48–29:54 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Purchasing and Turning Around the Atlanta Falcons Guy pushes into topical territory regarding the Atlanta Falcons and player protests during the national anthem. Arthur navigates the question diplomatically, balancing support for first amendment rights and player platforms.30:01–30:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Reflections on Hard Work, Luck, and Outward Bound Guy asks his signature question on luck versus skill. Arthur attributes success to a mix of luck, timing, and an Outward Bound philosophy of service and resilience.2:55–4:59 · Guy pushing back 0/10 Childhood in Flushing and Early Family Tragedy Guy prompts Arthur about his early childhood in Flushing and the death of his father. Arthur shares intimate family stories in an open, warm, and collaborative tone.4:59–8:48 · Guy pushing back 1/10 Babson College and Transition from Accounting to Business Guy summarizes Arthur's early career at Daylen, but Arthur interjects to clarify that his drugstore division was actually highly profitable rather than collapsing. The exchange remains polite and clarifying.8:48–12:16 · Guy pushing back 0/10 The Partnership Dynamic with Bernie Marcus Guy demonstrates good research regarding Sanford Sigiloff's takeover and nickname. Arthur recounts the boardroom clashes and sudden firing with humor and storytelling.12:17–15:52 · Guy pushing back 0/10 Reimagining Hardware: The Genesis of Home Depot Guy asks about the transition from shock to business planning. Arthur shares the famous anecdote of Bernie Marcus telling him to 'change the numbers' to make the financial model work.15:52–18:17 · Guy pushing back 0/10 Selecting Atlanta as the Launchpad for Growth Guy inquires about choosing Atlanta and opening day. Arthur entertains the live audience with the story of driving around Atlanta's trees and the initial opening day flop.18:19–20:20 · Guy pushing back 0/10 Mid-Show Station Break and Promo Following the mid-show recap, Arthur explains the turnaround year spent listening directly to customer feedback and adjusting pricing and merchandise.20:21–23:12 · Guy pushing back 0/10 Defining and Codifying Corporate Values Guy asks how Home Depot sustained exponential growth. Arthur explains why codifying values became vital as the founders could no longer visit every store, citing inspiration from Sam Walton.23:13–26:47 · Guy pushing back 0/10 Balancing Rapid Growth with Family and Personal Life Guy asks about the personal toll of executive life. Arthur lightly teases Guy before explaining his deliberate effort to maintain work-life balance and his eventual retirement.26:48–29:54 · Guy pushing back 2/10 Purchasing and Turning Around the Atlanta Falcons Guy pushes into topical territory regarding the Atlanta Falcons and player protests during the national anthem. Arthur navigates the question diplomatically, balancing support for first amendment rights and player platforms.30:01–30:59 · Guy pushing back 0/10 Reflections on Hard Work, Luck, and Outward Bound Guy asks his signature question on luck versus skill. Arthur attributes success to a mix of luck, timing, and an Outward Bound philosophy of service and resilience.

speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Guy 84.4% · guest 15.6%0:00 · Guy 84.4% · guest 15.6%3:00 · Guy 9.8% · guest 90.2%3:00 · Guy 9.8% · guest 90.2%6:00 · Guy 23.6% · guest 76.4%6:00 · Guy 23.6% · guest 76.4%9:00 · Guy 22.4% · guest 77.6%9:00 · Guy 22.4% · guest 77.6%12:00 · Guy 17.6% · guest 82.4%12:00 · Guy 17.6% · guest 82.4%15:00 · Guy 13.4% · guest 86.6%15:00 · Guy 13.4% · guest 86.6%18:00 · Guy 33% · guest 67%18:00 · Guy 33% · guest 67%21:00 · Guy 13.6% · guest 86.4%21:00 · Guy 13.6% · guest 86.4%24:00 · Guy 13.8% · guest 86.2%24:00 · Guy 13.8% · guest 86.2%27:00 · Guy 18.3% · guest 81.7%27:00 · Guy 18.3% · guest 81.7%30:00 · Guy 54.1% · guest 45.9%30:00 · Guy 54.1% · guest 45.9%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 23:22 Playful challenge on personal questions

Arthur feigns surprise and mock-challenges Guy over asking about his personal life before immediately clarifying he is happy to answer anything.

Hardest push from Guy ▶ 28:35 Pressing on NFL anthem protests

Guy introduces the sensitive, politically charged topic of NFL players taking a knee, asking Arthur directly for his stance as an NFL team owner.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:45 Correcting the record on drugstore profitability

When Guy implies all of Daylen's business units were collapsing, Arthur firmly interrupts to make clear that his drugstore operation was actually highly profitable.

Guy holds their own ▶ 10:28 Citing Sanford Sigiloff's takeover background

Guy displays sharp knowledge of Daylen's corporate history and corporate turnaround specialist Sanford Sigiloff's public persona.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicGuy as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementGuy pushing backWhy
Childhood in Flushing and Early Family Tragedy 4000 Guy prompts Arthur about his early childhood in Flushing and the death of his father. Arthur shares intimate family stories in an open, warm, and collaborative tone.
Babson College and Transition from Accounting to Business 5311 Guy summarizes Arthur's early career at Daylen, but Arthur interjects to clarify that his drugstore division was actually highly profitable rather than collapsing. The exchange remains polite and clarifying.
The Partnership Dynamic with Bernie Marcus 5100 Guy demonstrates good research regarding Sanford Sigiloff's takeover and nickname. Arthur recounts the boardroom clashes and sudden firing with humor and storytelling.
Reimagining Hardware: The Genesis of Home Depot 5100 Guy asks about the transition from shock to business planning. Arthur shares the famous anecdote of Bernie Marcus telling him to 'change the numbers' to make the financial model work.
Selecting Atlanta as the Launchpad for Growth 5100 Guy inquires about choosing Atlanta and opening day. Arthur entertains the live audience with the story of driving around Atlanta's trees and the initial opening day flop.
Mid-Show Station Break and Promo 4100 Following the mid-show recap, Arthur explains the turnaround year spent listening directly to customer feedback and adjusting pricing and merchandise.
Defining and Codifying Corporate Values 5100 Guy asks how Home Depot sustained exponential growth. Arthur explains why codifying values became vital as the founders could no longer visit every store, citing inspiration from Sam Walton.
Balancing Rapid Growth with Family and Personal Life 4010 Guy asks about the personal toll of executive life. Arthur lightly teases Guy before explaining his deliberate effort to maintain work-life balance and his eventual retirement.
Purchasing and Turning Around the Atlanta Falcons 6112 Guy pushes into topical territory regarding the Atlanta Falcons and player protests during the national anthem. Arthur navigates the question diplomatically, balancing support for first amendment rights and player platforms.
Reflections on Hard Work, Luck, and Outward Bound 4000 Guy asks his signature question on luck versus skill. Arthur attributes success to a mix of luck, timing, and an Outward Bound philosophy of service and resilience.

Statements from this episode (16)

Assertion Partly supported
Blank: Mother took over family pharmaceutical business with no business background
“When he passed away, my mother was only 37 at the time, and without any business background she went in and started to run the business.”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 3:59
Assertion Partly supported
Blank: Handy Dan and drugstore division were Daylin's only profitable units
“We were the only part of the company that was making any money, and they had a small home improvement center company in California called Handy Dan Home Improvement Centers. They were also making a little bit of money, but the rest of the company's all losing …”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 6:52
Opinion
Blank: Bernie Marcus was a father figure, brother, and rabbi
“Bernie is he's 14 years my senior, and he's probably, you know, a combination of brother and a father figure, having lost my dad and a rabbi.”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 9:03
Assertion Supported
Blank: Handy Dan was the most successful US home improvement chain
“Well, that company, Handy Dan Home Improvement Centers, was, and we operated kind of a traditional model, 40,000 square feet, 40% gross margin, 40 associates on the floor and it was by far the most successful chain of Home Improvement Center. Stores in the cou…”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 9:55
Insight
Blank: Home Depot concept arose by defining an uncompetitive retail model
“Bernie had said, well, you know, if we were ever to leapfrog our own business, Handy Dan Home Improvement Centers, what kind of home improvement center store could we not compete against? And so we said we could never compete against the big warehouse, no fril…”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 13:24
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Blank: Home Depot raised from 144 investors backing the founders
“The investors who invested in our company, it was a 144 of them really what they were buying into was just Myself and Bernie.”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 15:24
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Blank: Nobody showed up to The Home Depot's 1979 grand opening
“So we had this grand opening, and nobody came.”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 18:14
Disclosure
Blank: Home Depot founders spent 75% of early time on store floor
“I probably spent 75% of my time, as did Bernie, as did really most of our associates, on the floor of the store, finding out from customers what is it they like, what didn't like, and we kept changing the mix, adding things, taking things off, changing prices,…”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 19:06
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Blank: Early competitors believed Home Depot's business model would fail
“Every competitor came into our stores and visited us and said, I mean, these, I can't use bad words here because this is like kind of a live radio thing, but these, ah, whatever you want to call us, they're crazy. The stores are much too big. Prices are much t…”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 19:36
Assertion Supported
Raz: Home Depot reached $40 billion revenue faster than any US company
“Home Depot went from zero revenue in 1979 to seven hundred million in 1985, the fastest company in U.S. History to hit 40 Billion dollars in revenue.”
Guy Raz Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 21:52
Disclosure
Blank: Home Depot avoided planograms so every new store improved
“Really, at HD, we had a five year plan, we had a one year budget, we had all of that, but we focused on every single store, and our plan was that each store had to be better than the last store we opened up. So we didn't have any plantograms. We didn't have an…”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 22:35
Insight
Blank: Young executives overworking will become strangers to their families
“Too many young executives, men or women, they, their attitude is that we gotta work now, work hard, and, you know, put my career in, on fifth gear, and go, go, go, and so when you return home in 10 years, you're not gonna recognize your kids, and your spouse i…”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 24:36
Opinion
Blank: Staying at Home Depot under Bob Nardelli would have been miserable
“And I was sure happy I wasn't there during the six years that he was there. Ah, so, ah. That, that, that would have been the worst time in my life.”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 26:33
Assertion Supported
Blank: The Atlanta Falcons never had back-to-back winning seasons before 2001
“Commissioner Tagliabue, at the closing when I bought the team, he said, you realize the team you just bought has never had back-to-back winning seasons, and I said, Paul, you know, Paul's the smartest guy in the room, not because he told you, it's because he r…”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 27:12
Opinion
Blank: NFL players should stand respectfully for national anthem
“Having said that, I mean, I think that players should stand, and should stand respectfully for the national anthem.”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 29:11
Opinion
Blank: NFL anthem protests address social injustice, not military disrespect
“And I will tell you, there are 1750 players in the NFL, and I will tell you, these players have great respect for the military, and so it's not about the military to them. It's just that becomes an opportunity, a platform for them to speak about their concerns…”
Arthur Blank Dec 28, 2017 ▶ 29:19
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