May 24, 2021 · 1h 18m · how-i-built-this
Policygenius: Jennifer Fitzgerald
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In this episode of 'How I Built This,' Policygenius co-founder and CEO Jennifer Fitzgerald recounts her journey from aspiring diplomat to InsurTech pioneer. She explains how educational content marketing, operational grit, and perseverance against investor skepticism helped build an industry-leading digital insurance marketplace.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 34.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 1.7 Guest teaching 1.9 Guest disagreement 0.6 Guy pushing back 0.5
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 41:00 Dismissing young venture associates on life insurance market relevance
Fitzgerald recounts her blunt frustration with junior VCs who assumed lack of personal usage meant no market demand, noting she snapped back that they probably don't use tampons either.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 40:45 Raz rationalizes why 25-year-old VCs did not understand life insuranceRaz pushes back gently on her criticism of venture associates, arguing that 25-year-olds without children legitimately have no natural awareness of life insurance needs.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 1:09:00 Explaining why insurance marketplaces are nothing like airline booking sitesFitzgerald thoroughly schools Raz on the structural differences between travel booking and insurance, breaking down decision frequency, pricing mechanics, and high-stakes financial consequences.
Guy holds their own ▶ 1:12:10 Raz presses on regulatory hurdles of transitioning to carrier statusRaz demonstrates industry knowledge by challenging whether regulatory barriers across 50 state jurisdictions prevent a broker from easily evolving into a risk-bearing underwriter.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Growing Up in Military Towns and Early Diplomatic Ambitions | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Guy Raz conducts a standard biographical exploration of Fitzgerald's childhood moves across military bases and her early ambitions to run the State Department or UN. The conversation is entirely collaborative and conversational with zero adversarial friction. | |
| Peace Corps Honduras and Digitizing Municipal Tax Records | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Fitzgerald describes her time in Honduras with the Peace Corps creating software to digitize property taxes. Raz prompts with friendly questions about whether her business instincts were forming, which she clarifies remained subordinate to policy goals at the time. | |
| Leaving the World Bank for Law School and McKinsey | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Raz jokes about McKinsey NDAs and asks about her initial projects consulting during the financial crisis. Fitzgerald warmly shares her crash course in P&Ls and turnaround strategy. | |
| Insurance Psychology, ACA Marketplaces, and the Startup Spark | 2 | 3 | 1 | 0 | Fitzgerald educates Raz on the psychology of insurance, explaining why it is fundamentally hard to sell compared to tangible consumer goods like Nike shoes. Raz listens as she describes how the ACA exchanges inspired private multi-product marketplaces. | |
| Taking a Sabbatical from McKinsey to Test the Prototype | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz asks whether they were initially just giving advice rather than selling policies, prompting Fitzgerald to immediately clarify that they were an end-to-end seller from the outset. She details how they navigated a six-month leave of absence to build their first prototype. | |
| Testing Know It Owl and Selling Disability Policies Directly | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Fitzgerald explains the nuances and public misconceptions around disability insurance, noting that most claims stem from non-debilitating illnesses like back injuries or Crohn's disease. Raz and Fitzgerald joke about the company's awkward original name, Know It Owl. | |
| Enduring Venture Rejections to Raise an Angel Round | 2 | 3 | 3 | 2 | Raz slightly sympathizes with 25-year-old VCs questioning if anyone needs life insurance, but Fitzgerald forcefully rejects that mindset as amateurish investor bias, recounting her sharp retort about tampons. She recounts persevering through dozens of rejections before raising an angel round from 50 individuals. | |
| Rebranding to Policygenius and Executing Content Marketing Strategy | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Raz investigates how Policygenius justified spending resources on a dedicated blogger when funds were tight. Fitzgerald explains the multi-year content marketing and SEO thesis, explaining that buying Google AdWords in insurance is prohibitively expensive at $40 to $60 a click. | |
| New York Times Feature, Operational Deluge, and Series A | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Fitzgerald details the massive traffic spike from an early New York Times feature and the manual scramble to assemble PowerPoint quote decks. She notes that despite revenue traction, raising their Series A remained an uphill battle until finding a thesis-aligned investor in LA. | |
| Life Insurance Product-Market Fit and Customer Life Triggers | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | When Raz brings up the Expedia/Kayak comparison, Fitzgerald firmly rejects the analogy, demonstrating deep industry expertise on how insurance involves low-frequency, high-stakes decisions with massive information asymmetry. She also educates Raz on life insurance market sizes, solvency guarantees, and demographic triggers like having a second child. | |
| Future Horizons, Stand-Up Comedy, and Founder Reflections | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | Raz questions the feasibility of becoming a primary carrier given state regulations, and Fitzgerald explains that the operational layer they built already handles everything except the risk balance sheet. The episode closes with reflections on luck and an audio clip of her stand-up comedy. |
Statements from this episode (16)
The World Bank has massive inertia and struggles to drive innovation
“After having spent a couple of years on the inside and seeing very mission driven, very, very smart and passionate people, but you are a gear in a very, very large machine that has inertia and doesn't tend to move very quickly or very or drive a lot of innovat…”
Insurance actuaries were the original data scientists
“The original quote unquote data scientists were actuaries, right? So these were people who were looking at mortality tables, morbidity tables, dating back hundreds of years, right? Because insurance has been around for hundreds of years and creating models to …”
Selling insurance to millennials proves a company can sell anything
“Listen, if you can figure out how to sell insurance to millennial consumers, You could sell anything to anybody. Full stop.”
In 2013, no end-to-end multi-product digital insurance marketplace existed
“You had a couple lead generation companies. That would put up a landing page promise you quotes or insurance, but then, you know sell your contact information to either insurance companies or to insurance agents. You had e-health insurance that focused on heal…”
Disability insurance is critical for workers, yet most are dramatically underinsured
“Disability insurance is income protection insurance. So if you were to get sick or suffer an injury and couldn't work, it replaces your paycheck for a defined amount of time. Right. So probably the most important type of insurance for working individuals to ha…”
Policygenius raised $735,000 in angel funding after missing $1M target
“We raised, so we fell short of our million dollar target. We raised 735,000 dollars, and we said, you know what, that's enough, let's see how far we can stretch this.”
Insurance keywords on Google cost upwards of $40 to $60 per click
“It's one of the most expensive AdWords that you can purchase on Google. The word insurance and insurance related terms can go upwards of 40, 50, 60 dollars a click.”
Policygenius's SEO strategy took two to three years to deliver results
“So it took us, our content SEO strategy Probably took a good two to three years to really start to see results in terms of our traffic and in terms of business results.”
Policygenius received only one term sheet for its Series A round
“That was the only term sheet that we got The only yes that we got from the VCs that we pitched that round, and he's still on our board to this day.”
The US insurance market sees $1.2 trillion in annual written premiums
“About 1.2 trillion dollars of premium is written every year in the U.S. On insurance and it's roughly fifty-fifty, so half is on life accident and health, so call it 605 to six hundred billion on life accident and health.”
Life insurance generates much higher profit margins than property and casualty
“They have much healthier profit margins on life insurance than they do for property casualty insurance, where the claims are far more frequent.”
Having a second child is the top catalyst for buying life insurance
“The biggest trigger for life insurance is having a child. Specifically what we have found in our consumer research, it's having child number two, because when people have their first child, they're so overwhelmed with now they're a parent, right, and getting t…”
The average Policygenius customer is 36 years old
“Our average customer is 36 years old, and in that home buying, having children married for a few years stage of their life.”
Policygenius plans to evolve from broker to first-party insurance issuer
“Eventually, yep. We look at our journey similar to Amazon or Netflix which started in the third party world. Consumer goods in the case of Amazon, content in the case of Netflix, and they eventually moved from third party to first party, where they were actual…”
Policygenius is heading toward profitability and considering an IPO
“We are heading towards profitability and we are thinking about what's next for us on the capital markets horizon and maybe going public sooner rather than later.”
Entrepreneurial success is mostly luck; hard work is just table stakes
“I think the balance is always more toward luck, to be honest with you, because I've seen a lot of people who just work so, so, so hard and you know, it's wrong idea or right idea, wrong time or you make a couple bad decisions early on. A few things don't break…”