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Jul 24, 2025 · 43m · how-i-built-this

Advice Line with Troy Carter of Atom Factory

Guy Raz · 13m spoken Troy Carter · 12m spoken Madeline Nausek Ellis · 4m spoken Gina Davis · 4m spoken Tyler Beck · 4m spoken
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In this episode of The Advice Line on How I Built This Lab, host Guy Raz and entrepreneur-investor Troy Carter guide three startup founders through pressing operational challenges, emphasizing sustainable scaling, creator equity partnerships, and transitioning beyond paid digital ads toward authentic community engagement.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 36% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Guy as informed peer 5.3 Guest teaching 2.0 Guest disagreement 0.3 Guy pushing back 1.7
05100:0015:0030:006:56–17:26 · Guy as informed peer 6/10 Scaling The Nest Prep Postpartum Meal Delivery Business Guy Raz demonstrates strong advisory expertise by mapping out a disciplined geographic expansion strategy and advising the caller against rushing into large retail chains like Sprouts. Troy Carter adds nuance to Guy's demographic birth-rate suggestion by noting educational and income correlations, while the caller remains receptive and collaborative.17:42–27:41 · Guy as informed peer 5/10 Structuring Micro-Influencer Partnerships for Guzzle H2O The conversation is entirely cordial and consultative. Guy Raz draws parallels to previous business case studies like Solo Stove, while Troy Carter outlines structured advisory share models for authentic micro-influencers.27:57–39:11 · Guy as informed peer 5/10 Pivoting Beyond Digital Ads for Matching Pet Brand Good Thomas Guy Raz and Troy Carter collaborate to diagnose the post-iOS privacy ad landscape for e-commerce. Troy walks the founder through organic storytelling models and strategic partnerships using Malbon Golf as a benchmark.6:56–17:26 · Guest teaching 3/10 Scaling The Nest Prep Postpartum Meal Delivery Business Guy Raz demonstrates strong advisory expertise by mapping out a disciplined geographic expansion strategy and advising the caller against rushing into large retail chains like Sprouts. Troy Carter adds nuance to Guy's demographic birth-rate suggestion by noting educational and income correlations, while the caller remains receptive and collaborative.17:42–27:41 · Guest teaching 1/10 Structuring Micro-Influencer Partnerships for Guzzle H2O The conversation is entirely cordial and consultative. Guy Raz draws parallels to previous business case studies like Solo Stove, while Troy Carter outlines structured advisory share models for authentic micro-influencers.27:57–39:11 · Guest teaching 2/10 Pivoting Beyond Digital Ads for Matching Pet Brand Good Thomas Guy Raz and Troy Carter collaborate to diagnose the post-iOS privacy ad landscape for e-commerce. Troy walks the founder through organic storytelling models and strategic partnerships using Malbon Golf as a benchmark.6:56–17:26 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Scaling The Nest Prep Postpartum Meal Delivery Business Guy Raz demonstrates strong advisory expertise by mapping out a disciplined geographic expansion strategy and advising the caller against rushing into large retail chains like Sprouts. Troy Carter adds nuance to Guy's demographic birth-rate suggestion by noting educational and income correlations, while the caller remains receptive and collaborative.17:42–27:41 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Structuring Micro-Influencer Partnerships for Guzzle H2O The conversation is entirely cordial and consultative. Guy Raz draws parallels to previous business case studies like Solo Stove, while Troy Carter outlines structured advisory share models for authentic micro-influencers.27:57–39:11 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Pivoting Beyond Digital Ads for Matching Pet Brand Good Thomas Guy Raz and Troy Carter collaborate to diagnose the post-iOS privacy ad landscape for e-commerce. Troy walks the founder through organic storytelling models and strategic partnerships using Malbon Golf as a benchmark.6:56–17:26 · Guy pushing back 3/10 Scaling The Nest Prep Postpartum Meal Delivery Business Guy Raz demonstrates strong advisory expertise by mapping out a disciplined geographic expansion strategy and advising the caller against rushing into large retail chains like Sprouts. Troy Carter adds nuance to Guy's demographic birth-rate suggestion by noting educational and income correlations, while the caller remains receptive and collaborative.17:42–27:41 · Guy pushing back 1/10 Structuring Micro-Influencer Partnerships for Guzzle H2O The conversation is entirely cordial and consultative. Guy Raz draws parallels to previous business case studies like Solo Stove, while Troy Carter outlines structured advisory share models for authentic micro-influencers.27:57–39:11 · Guy pushing back 1/10 Pivoting Beyond Digital Ads for Matching Pet Brand Good Thomas Guy Raz and Troy Carter collaborate to diagnose the post-iOS privacy ad landscape for e-commerce. Troy walks the founder through organic storytelling models and strategic partnerships using Malbon Golf as a benchmark.

speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Guy 84.9% · guest 15.1%0:00 · Guy 84.9% · guest 15.1%3:00 · Guy 43.9% · guest 56.1%3:00 · Guy 43.9% · guest 56.1%6:00 · Guy 38.8% · guest 61.2%6:00 · Guy 38.8% · guest 61.2%9:00 · Guy 17.9% · guest 82.1%9:00 · Guy 17.9% · guest 82.1%12:00 · Guy 37.4% · guest 62.6%12:00 · Guy 37.4% · guest 62.6%15:00 · Guy 58.9% · guest 41.1%15:00 · Guy 58.9% · guest 41.1%18:00 · Guy 20.4% · guest 79.6%18:00 · Guy 20.4% · guest 79.6%21:00 · Guy 15.3% · guest 84.7%21:00 · Guy 15.3% · guest 84.7%24:00 · Guy 29.9% · guest 70.1%24:00 · Guy 29.9% · guest 70.1%27:00 · Guy 54.3% · guest 45.7%27:00 · Guy 54.3% · guest 45.7%30:00 · Guy 21.1% · guest 78.9%30:00 · Guy 21.1% · guest 78.9%33:00 · Guy 15.8% · guest 84.2%33:00 · Guy 15.8% · guest 84.2%36:00 · Guy 1.5% · guest 98.5%36:00 · Guy 1.5% · guest 98.5%39:00 · Guy 46.6% · guest 53.4%39:00 · Guy 46.6% · guest 53.4%42:00 · Guy 81.4% · guest 18.6%42:00 · Guy 81.4% · guest 18.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:38 Troy Carter questions birth rate correlation assumption

Troy gently interjects to counter Guy's assumption about targeting regions solely by birth rates, pointing out that high birth rates often inversely correlate with education and disposable income.

 Hardest push from Guy ▶ 16:29 Guy Raz rejects national retail scaling for early stage

Guy firmly tells the founder that her business is too small for Sprouts or national grocery chains and steers her toward local food co-ops instead.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 15:38 Troy Carter explains demographic income dynamics

Troy educates the room on macro demographic data, clarifying why high birth rate metrics must be weighted against education level and household purchasing power.

 Guy holds their own ▶ 13:53 Guy Raz outlines unit economics and regional expansion

Guy demonstrates his broad entrepreneurial knowledge by breaking down kitchen overhead, price point positioning, and methodical city-by-city expansion paths.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicGuy as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementGuy pushing backWhy
Scaling The Nest Prep Postpartum Meal Delivery Business 6313 Guy Raz demonstrates strong advisory expertise by mapping out a disciplined geographic expansion strategy and advising the caller against rushing into large retail chains like Sprouts. Troy Carter adds nuance to Guy's demographic birth-rate suggestion by noting educational and income correlations, while the caller remains receptive and collaborative.
Structuring Micro-Influencer Partnerships for Guzzle H2O 5101 The conversation is entirely cordial and consultative. Guy Raz draws parallels to previous business case studies like Solo Stove, while Troy Carter outlines structured advisory share models for authentic micro-influencers.
Pivoting Beyond Digital Ads for Matching Pet Brand Good Thomas 5201 Guy Raz and Troy Carter collaborate to diagnose the post-iOS privacy ad landscape for e-commerce. Troy walks the founder through organic storytelling models and strategic partnerships using Malbon Golf as a benchmark.

Statements from this episode (6)

Insight
Troy Carter: Transactional celebrity brand partnerships usually fail
“You know, making sure that is not transactional. You know, if it was me sitting in that seat, I would want somebody who's in love with my product and mission aligned with the vision of the company. And if you didn't have to pay them that they still would promo…”
Troy Carter Jul 24, 2025 ▶ 6:29
Disclosure
Tyler Beck: Guzzle H2O generated roughly $800,000 in revenue last year
“So we did about 800,000 dollars last year.”
Tyler Beck Jul 24, 2025 ▶ 20:56
Insight
Carter: Behind-the-scenes advisor input moves the needle more than forward-facing promo
“Even with my business, we set aside advisory shares, you know, so it's certain artists I call, some product people I call, and they're just incredibly helpful, you know, and so, and sometimes you may need somebody to do something forward facing, but a lot of t…”
Troy Carter Jul 24, 2025 ▶ 25:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gina Davis: Good Thomas ROAS fell from 10x to 3x after Apple changes
“We raised that outside capital in twenty-twenty-one, and then in the summer of twenty-twenty-two, the Apple Privacy Act happened, and our digital ad spend or return on ads went from 10 X To eight X to five X. And now we are lucky to hit three X.”
Gina Davis Jul 24, 2025 ▶ 30:38
Opinion
Troy Carter: The era of high digital ad returns is over
“Because I just feel like you're never gonna get that return back from ads. What it is, is that, that era's over with, you know, so, so I feel like the storytelling piece of it is the way you can sort of get the attention you need around it.”
Troy Carter Jul 24, 2025 ▶ 34:41
Disclosure
Carter: Early business collapse led to home foreclosure and pawned wedding rings
“It w, it was over. You know, I didn't have the cash flow, and the phone started ringing, and it was the landlord of that building saying, you know what, rent hasn't been paid. You know, all, all of my vendors, you know, started calling me. My house was under f…”
Troy Carter Jul 24, 2025 ▶ 41:43
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