power grid

18 statements across 16 episodes · 5 bullish · 6 bearish · 12 people on the record · first statement Apr 28, 2022 by Jigar Shah · across every show →

Everything said about power grid, oldest first

Apr 28, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Shah: ACES electrolyzers will initially pull grid power matched by RECs
“So for the first iteration they're just getting connected to the grid, and there's going to be a network of contracts and racks to make sure that it's a hundred percent clean energy.”
Jigar Shah Apr 28, 2022 ▶ 14:43 Hydrogen, meet salt cavern
May 11, 2023 negative
Insight
Hertz-Shargel: Grid power resale by Bitcoin miners creates no public good
“But really, the way to view this is, this was a generation that was sitting there that they were otherwise consuming. They are just refraining from consuming it at these, during these periods. So you can't credit them for, Again, for a good, you can only credi…”
Ben Hertz-Shargel May 11, 2023 ▶ 30:34 The great Bitcoin energy debate
May 25, 2023 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lubershane: The grid will require three distinct storage tranches and technologies
“I think we're going to end up with sort of three tranches of storage in the grid, which are going to be filled by at least three different technology categories. The first is those short duration, you know, peak of the peak applications that lithium ion is, is…”
Andy Lubershane May 25, 2023 ▶ 44:49 Four ways to store sunlight
Aug 4, 2023
Disclosure
Smith: Google dynamically shifted computing loads based on grid constraints and carbon
“When I was at Google, one of the things we did was we created the ability to basically forecast forward power prices grid constraints, carbon content and then dynamically move our load around to take advantage of that. So if there was a storm and there was goi…”
Rayford Smith Aug 4, 2023 ▶ 13:58 With Great Power: What other industries can teach utilities about innovation
Aug 4, 2023 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Rayford Smith Predicts Power Grids Will Shift Optimization Algorithms to the Edge
“And I think what you're going to start to see is you're going to start to see those technologies show up at the edge. You're going to start to see a much more intelligent, interactive ecosystem along the lines of IOT. And I think ultimately what that looks lik…”
Rayford Smith Aug 4, 2023 ▶ 10:38 With Great Power: What other industries can teach utilities about innovation
Nov 9, 2023 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kann: Green hydrogen will bring regional clusters of grid connection requests
“I think coming in the next few years, green hydrogen is going to be another example that's also going to be sort of regionally focused in a few key regions for a number of reasons, and that's going to be a bunch of large projects all trying to get grid connect…”
Shayle Kann Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 8:00 Mailbag episode! Interest rates, carbon dioxide removal, load growth, and more
Mar 8, 2024 bearish
Insight
Groarke: Modeling grid physics is the primary barrier to full automation
“The primary reason why, you know, we're not on a path Towards, you know, full automation, and there's, you know, been a spade of use cases launched is just modeling grid physics accurately is incredibly difficult, right, for an algorithm. So, you know, solutio…”
David Groarke Mar 8, 2024 ▶ 9:50 The early days of AI on the grid
Mar 8, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Groarke: Grid data lacks the coverage required for real-time automated decisions
“The data right now is, is not available, right, for, let's say, real-time decision-making across the grid, right? Like, what we have is AMI, right, which is minutes to hours. We have SCADA, which is, you know, seconds to minutes, and then we have PMUs, which a…”
David Groarke Mar 8, 2024 ▶ 35:17 The early days of AI on the grid
May 23, 2024 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shah: Backfeeding distributed power into the grid requires expensive infrastructure
“It is most certainly the case that if you want to backfeed power into the grid, then you will need a much more robust and expensive structure.”
Jigar Shah May 23, 2024 ▶ 29:54 Could VPPs save rooftop solar?
Jul 18, 2024 positive
Opinion
Belady: Dispatching data center backup generators could solve short-term grid shortages
“That's something that we could probably use everywhere in the short term. That's a way to solve that, the energy shortage problem. I don't think it's magic. Every data center has generation, backup generation. Why, why can't it be used?”
Christian Belady Jul 18, 2024 ▶ 34:58 Can chip efficiency slow AI's energy demand?
Feb 13, 2025 bearish
Prediction Didn’t hold up
Kimber: AI data centers will never offer flexible power load
“Every second you aren't running that at a hundred percent capacity factor is enormous amortized cost, right? So that it's just, it's one of those things where it's like, you'd be a fool to turn it down. You have to at some points because operationally, you kno…”
Sheldon Kimber Feb 13, 2025 ▶ 28:49 The case for colocating data centers and generation
Aug 28, 2025 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sivaram: 50-100 GW of AI Data Centers Cannot Be Built Without Flexibility
“We've got 50 to a hundred gigawatts of latent AI demand in the pipeline. It's just not gonna get built unless you have this capability of flexibility.”
Varun Sivaram Aug 28, 2025 ▶ 23:54 The mechanics of data center flexibility
Sep 18, 2025 bullish
Assertion Supported
Lubershain: Operational VPPs Are Now Dispatched at Hundreds of Megawatts
“There are real VPPs now. Hundreds of megawatts in scale that are being dispatched to actually make a difference on the grid in some places.”
Andy Lubershane Sep 18, 2025 ▶ 25:17 Is now the time for DERs to scale?
Oct 16, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kann: Generating capacity is not the primary bottleneck for near-term load growth
“There also though has been a lot of good data to suggest that generating capacity in the next few years is not the dominant Like, there is enough capacity in enough places to deliver the kind of load growth for the next few years that the grid will need. So I …”
Shayle Kann Oct 16, 2025 ▶ 14:51 Calibrating hype with Akshat Rathi
Oct 23, 2025 bearish
Prediction Open · timeframe Dec 2030
Lubershain: The power grid cannot add hundreds of gigawatts this decade
“We can add a certain number of tens of gigawatts Through the remainder of the decade, but we're not adding hundreds of gigawatts, right? Like that just is not possible.”
Andy Lubershane Oct 23, 2025 ▶ 13:36 Five big questions about the future of energy
Oct 30, 2025
Assertion Supported
Norris: Most grid stress events fall in the two- to six-hour range
“I think there it's widely recognized that in the vast majority of events that you're talking about that, you know, the two to kind of six hour range is sort of the sweet spot when you just kind of look at, you know, most of these periods of system stress.”
Tyler Norris Oct 30, 2025 ▶ 21:40 Unpacking DOE's proposal to transform data center interconnection
Jul 23, 2026 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Letendre: EVs will be the largest source of grid flexibility
“There have been numerous studies that have shown that electric vehicles are the single largest source of grid flexibility that will be on the grid in the not too distant future”
Steve Letendre Jul 23, 2026 ▶ 31:48 The multi-billion dollar promise of vehicle-to-grid integration
Sep 3, 2026 negative
Insight
Janous: Taking data centers off-grid prevents broader electricity rates from decreasing
“It's fine micro, but I would even say, I mean, if you believe that a larger denominator is actually good for lowering electricity rates over time, it's actually negative in that you're taking that denominator off the grid.”
Brian Janous Sep 3, 2026 ▶ 29:34 What comes after the data center backlash?
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