pension funds

also referred to as: pension fund

38 statements across 23 episodes · 8 bullish · 17 bearish · 20 people on the record · first statement May 22, 2017 by Charlie Ellis · across every show →

Everything said about pension funds, oldest first

May 22, 2017 bearish
Insight
Ellis: Top ten investment management firms rapidly lose top rankings over ten years
“If you record over time, systematically, who are the best firms as judged by their clients, institutions like pension funds, if you're doing that, and you get to know the firms that are the 10 best, and you come back five years later, and half of the 10 best a…”
Charlie Ellis May 22, 2017 ▶ 22:42 Charley Ellis – Multiple Ways to Win (Capital Allocators, EP.08)
May 14, 2018 bearish
Insight
Lew: Pension long bond demand keeps interest rates lower for longer
“Oh no, that, those rates are going to be low for a long time, because that demand for that long bond is so high, and so when I'm thinking about rates rising, and people kept saying it was going to happen, it was going to happen, and I was like, it's going to h…”
Kim Lew May 14, 2018 ▶ 43:47 Kim Lew – The Carnegie Way (Capital Allocators, EP.52)
May 21, 2018 neutral
Assertion Supported
Large Pension Funds Are Internalizing Direct Infrastructure Investments for Yield
“Well, we've seen a, like a large number of very big pension funds go direct. There's an internalization that is occurring. They are attracted to the duration of the assets, the cash, yields that come off that, particularly in this point in the cycle where yiel…”
Ross Israel May 21, 2018 ▶ 45:21 Ross Israel - Stable, Predictable Cash Flows (EP.53)
Jul 1, 2019 positive
Insight
Sicilia: Pension fund ownership prevents predatory wealth extraction from infrastructure
“So the concept of super normal extraction of wealth and abhorrent returns just isn't going to happen if you have pension fund owners. It's unnecessary.”
Sam Sicilia Jul 1, 2019 ▶ 31:47 Sam Sicilia – Seizing on a Long Time Horizon at HostPlus (EP.103)
Jul 1, 2019 bearish
Insight
Traditional pension models are mathematically broken by multi-decade retirement lifespans
“The real issue is that pension funds were designed at times when people retired at age 65 and conveniently died at age 68. Today, people retire at 65 or 70 and live to a 108. How are you going to survive 30 or 40 years not working, not generating an income, li…”
Sam Sicilia Jul 1, 2019 ▶ 37:51 Sam Sicilia – Seizing on a Long Time Horizon at HostPlus (EP.103)
Jul 8, 2019 negative
Insight
Politically Governed Pension Funds Face Systematic Resource and Compensation Suppression
“If you're under a state legislative body, any politically derived body, chances are you're going to be suppressed for compensation, for resources, including travel, training, materials, systems, risk controls. Everything.”
Ash Williams Jul 8, 2019 ▶ 50:37 Ash Williams – Florida SBA's Reigning Chief (Capital Allocator, EP.104)
Jan 25, 2021 neutral
Assertion Supported
Pension fund returns drove Lucent's corporate earnings in the 1990s
“I used to make the joke that Lucent was really a pension fund with a little bit of technology on the side, which is what drove the earnings of the company for that whole time, but nobody thought that joke was funny except for me, but it was actually pretty clo…”
Colette Chilton Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 13:19 Collette Chilton – Humility and Loyalty at Williams College (Capital Allocators, EP.174)
Feb 8, 2021 negative
Assertion Supported
Baran: Japan's pension reforms forced price-insensitive liquidation of equity portfolios
“Because for some god unknown reason, the government said, we don't want to take your assets, we'll take your cash. So everything was converted into cash, and there was no price sensitivity at all.”
David Baran Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 11:06 David Baran and Kazuhiko Shibata – Friendly Activism in Japan at Symphony (Capital Allocators, EP.176)
Mar 22, 2021 neutral
Insight
Seides: Endowments and Foundations Share Similar Investment Mindsets
“Because the type of capital that an endowment runs or a foundation runs is similar compared to a pension fund or compared to a wealth advisor, they do tend to have a similar way of looking at the world. Because of the nature of the capital.”
Ted Seides Mar 22, 2021 ▶ 10:14 Ted with Patrick O'Shaughnessy – Lessons from the World's Elite Money Managers (Capital Allocators, EP.184)
May 24, 2021 positive
Insight
Monk: Granular cash flow modeling allows pension funds to hold less cash
“We found that if you can really kind of model out those cash flows that we were talking about, cash flows, liquidity, unfunded pacing commitments and all of that you can drive. In fact, there's a UK based pension fund that did this. You can drive these organiz…”
Ashby Monk May 24, 2021 ▶ 15:53 Ashby Monk – Innovation in Institutional Portfolios (Capital Allocators, EP.196)
May 24, 2021 neutral
Insight
Monk: Pension active-passive debates always boil down to governance
“And without fail, that active-passive conversation inside a pension fund actually boils back to governance.”
Ashby Monk May 24, 2021 ▶ 9:50 Ashby Monk – Innovation in Institutional Portfolios (Capital Allocators, EP.196)
May 24, 2021 positive
Opinion
Monk: Pension funds and endowments are Earth's most important organizations
“I really truly do believe, Ted, that these are the most important organizations on the earth, and that's full stop. I don't even have a caveat around that or a constraint.”
Ashby Monk May 24, 2021 ▶ 6:20 Ashby Monk – Innovation in Institutional Portfolios (Capital Allocators, EP.196)
Jul 29, 2021 neutral
Insight
Bonafede: Pension funds move like icebergs, taking years to adopt ideas
“Pension funds work like icebergs. Okay, so you might start the concept and then many years later you might get to where you actually get movement. And so understanding that you can't have instantaneous decisions and outcomes with clients, especially clients th…”
Julia Bonafede Jul 29, 2021 ▶ 19:28 Julia Bonafede – Rosetta Analytics (Manager Meetings, EP.04)
Oct 18, 2021 positive
Insight
Berntsen: Large Institutional LPs Better Tolerate Periods of Underperformance
“We find them to be more understanding in periods of underperformance because they are so long-term and they have less pressures in terms of clients or stakeholders that some of the other LP segments might have.”
Erik Serrano Berntsen Oct 18, 2021 ▶ 30:17 Erik Serrano Berntsen – Backing Alternative Founders at Stable Asset Management (Capital Allocators, EP.218)
Jun 2, 2022 negative
Insight
Drogen: Institutional allocators cannot survive an 80% crypto drawdown
“So it's just no pension fund, no, no big asset management firm can suffer a 80% drawdown and live to tell that tale. Just not going to happen with their LPs.”
Leigh Drogen Jun 2, 2022 ▶ 36:12 Leigh Drogen – Quantamental Approach to Crypto at Starkiller Capital (Manager Meeting, EP.32)
Dec 12, 2022 negative
Insight
Institutional ecosystem participants contribute to pension and endowment fund underperformance
“The theory that I was putting forward and I stand with it right now is that all the different participants have made contributions to the problem of investment results, particularly of pension funds and endowment funds, typically underperforming the markets. T…”
Charlie Ellis Dec 12, 2022 ▶ 14:28 Charley Ellis - Figuring Out Investing and Vanguard (Capital Allocators, EP.286)
Mar 13, 2023 neutral
Opinion
Orum: Private renewable infrastructure yields are likely below Capricorn's cost of capital
“Even in the private side where so much Of renewable infrastructure is priced. It's likely below our cost of capital. It may be more appropriate for pension funds or other large pools.”
Bill Orem Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 44:31 William Orum – Mission-Aligned Allocation at Capricorn (Climate Solutions EP.2, Capital Allocators EP.301)
May 1, 2023 negative
Insight
Monk: Innovating and deviating from peers gets pension allocators fired
“I often joke that the only way you get fired from a pension fund is you innovate, which means you've deviated from a peer group, and somebody says, huh, what are you up to? And then all of a sudden, you've got to justify it.”
Ashby Monk May 1, 2023 ▶ 34:16 Ashby Monk – Investor Identity, Navigation, and Resilience (Capital Allocators, EP.312)
May 1, 2023 negative
Insight
Monk: Standard finance credentials fail to teach asset owner operations
“You can get a PhD in economics. You can get a CFA or a CAIA designation and not necessarily truly understand how sovereign funds operate, how pension funds operate.”
Ashby Monk May 1, 2023 ▶ 9:08 Ashby Monk – Investor Identity, Navigation, and Resilience (Capital Allocators, EP.312)
May 1, 2023 negative
Assertion Supported
Monk: Asset owner boards lack tech and data leaders
“I don't see a lot of technologists sitting on boards of directors of pension funds or sovereign funds or endowments. You see lots of ex-finance professionals. You see lots of representative people coming out of the constituencies, teachers, firemen, public emp…”
Ashby Monk May 1, 2023 ▶ 17:53 Ashby Monk – Investor Identity, Navigation, and Resilience (Capital Allocators, EP.312)
May 1, 2023
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Monk: Major pension funds spend $30M to $100M annually on tech
“We're talking 30 to a hundred million bucks a year going into technology. By the way, the problem I have with the fact that not everybody knows this is all these technologists at places like Stanford or Princeton or Harvard, they don't even know that these pen…”
Ashby Monk May 1, 2023 ▶ 27:59 Ashby Monk – Investor Identity, Navigation, and Resilience (Capital Allocators, EP.312)
May 1, 2023 negative
Insight
Monk: Big pension funds rely on established tech vendors over startups
“So when these big pension funds need technology, it's not like there's an army of startups out there that are trying to solve their problems. It's actually just the established players that are invited to participate in RFPs.”
Ashby Monk May 1, 2023 ▶ 28:19 Ashby Monk – Investor Identity, Navigation, and Resilience (Capital Allocators, EP.312)
May 1, 2023 positive
Insight
Monk: Conservative asset owners only innovate when forced by crises
“So the punchline to answer your question is we often need crises to drive change because these organizations are fairly conservative and slow moving and they are monopolistic. But interestingly, technology is going to reveal little mini crises inside these fun…”
Ashby Monk May 1, 2023 ▶ 36:43 Ashby Monk – Investor Identity, Navigation, and Resilience (Capital Allocators, EP.312)
Sep 9, 2024
Insight
Auby: Pension risk management is about efficient deployment, not existential survival
“What it shifts from is not so much catastrophic risk, not so much existential risk, Run on the bank type risks. It turns into more, how do you most efficiently use risk, most efficiently deploy it?”
Jace Auby Sep 9, 2024 ▶ 14:09 Jase Auby - Risk, Size, and Talent at Texas Teachers (EP.404)
Sep 9, 2024
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Public pensions and endowments are among the only unlevered capital pools
“It's a pension fund is not levered. So it's one of the only pools of capital on the planet that doesn't actually have balance sheet leverage. So you're talking about a public pension funds, endowments, and sovereign wealth funds. These are the unlevered pools …”
Jace Auby Sep 9, 2024 ▶ 13:28 Jase Auby - Risk, Size, and Talent at Texas Teachers (EP.404)
Oct 21, 2024 bearish
Assertion Supported
Briner: North Carolina's state pension ranks 50th out of 50 in performance
“We are 50th best performing out of 50, and so there's a lot of desire to help fix that and move it up the curve that is really appealing to certain people.”
Brad Briner Oct 21, 2024 ▶ 55:44 Brad Briner - Family Office to Public Service (EP.413)
Nov 18, 2024 positive
Disclosure
Glidden: Delta pledged 5% contributions and a 9% return backstop
“When might Delta not be able to stand up to that pledge that they made in those early days, which is we're going to pay the five percent mandatory. And if you don't hit a nine percent expected return, we're going to stand up and make it like you did make a nin…”
Jon Glidden Nov 18, 2024 ▶ 34:49 Jon Glidden - Delta Airlines Pension Fund Turnaround (EP.417)
Apr 14, 2025 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Gave: Pension Funds and Endowments Will Relentlessly Rebalance Away From Privates
“They've outperformed so much that the rebalancing that you're going to see in every pension fund, in every endowment, away from these strategies back towards listed equities or back towards, frankly, just bonds, it should be relentless.”
Louis-Vincent Gave Apr 14, 2025 ▶ 44:13 Geopolitical Uncertainty – James Aitken, Louis-Vincent Gave, and Marko Papic (EP.440)
May 15, 2025 negative
Opinion
Clarke argues institutional asset management has surprisingly low barriers to entry
“The barriers to this industry in institutional asset management are so low. Anybody can start a fund. They can call up whomever it is, pension fund, and try and get meetings.”
James Clark May 15, 2025 ▶ 10:26 James Clarke – Building Enduring Partnerships at Blue Owl (EP.445)
Jan 12, 2026
Insight
Monk: Most pension fund innovation requires leaders risking their jobs
“Much of the innovation in pension funds is courage-based. Some leaders fed up, and they're willing to put their job on the line.”
Ashby Monk Jan 12, 2026 ▶ 54:36 Ashby Monk – Total Portfolio Approach and the Future of Asset Owners (EP.480)
Jan 12, 2026 negative
Insight
Monk: Fast co-investment turnaround is efficiency, not institutional innovation
“Oftentimes a pension fund will say, oh, we're really innovative. We're an amazing partner to our funds. They bring us a co-investment and we respond in 15 days. I have to remind them, what you've just described is speed and efficiency. It's the opposite of inn…”
Ashby Monk Jan 12, 2026 ▶ 45:16 Ashby Monk – Total Portfolio Approach and the Future of Asset Owners (EP.480)
Jan 12, 2026 neutral
Insight
Monk: Crises and leadership changes trigger institutional fund innovation
“The classic one is a crisis, internal or external. The next classic one is a leader. That leadership change Leads to some new innovation and on and on and on.”
Ashby Monk Jan 12, 2026 ▶ 1:00:07 Ashby Monk – Total Portfolio Approach and the Future of Asset Owners (EP.480)
Jan 12, 2026 positive
Opinion
Monk: Large Asset Owners Are the World's Most Important Organizations
“They have quietly become the most important organizations in the world, and I don't put a caveat on that one. They are the cornerstone of our modern social welfare state. They are integrated into so much policymaking from Saudi Arabia to United States to Austr…”
Ashby Monk Jan 12, 2026 ▶ 7:15 Ashby Monk – Total Portfolio Approach and the Future of Asset Owners (EP.480)
Jan 12, 2026 positive
Insight
Monk: Asset Owners Should Value AI by Alpha Over Headcount Automation
“I don't love that framing. I love thinking about how technology unlocks additional basis points of return. It gives permission to pension funds to spend more money. Especially on the initial setup cost of getting your data right.”
Ashby Monk Jan 12, 2026 ▶ 21:37 Ashby Monk – Total Portfolio Approach and the Future of Asset Owners (EP.480)
Jan 12, 2026 negative
Opinion
Monk: Pension funds fail to explain their operations to technologists
“I don't think we do a great job of explaining to technologists what we do as pension funds.”
Ashby Monk Jan 12, 2026 ▶ 56:57 Ashby Monk – Total Portfolio Approach and the Future of Asset Owners (EP.480)
Feb 9, 2026 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gilmore: A simple stock-bond mix closely tracks most complex pension portfolios
“You can take a simple combination of equities and bonds, and it will track the actual portfolio very closely. And that'll be the case for most pension funds.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 24:14 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Mar 23, 2026 negative
Insight
Grantham: Asset managers get fired in bull markets, not bear markets
“People think you get fired for underperforming in bear markets, which is nonsense. In a serious bear market, the client becomes catatonic.”
Jeremy Grantham Mar 23, 2026 ▶ 24:58 Jeremy Grantham – Bubbles, Value Investing, and the Long Game at GMO (EP.493)
Mar 23, 2026 neutral
Insight
Grantham: College endowments face far less career risk than pension funds
“You can be an early mover at a leading college endowment more easily than most people can. A pension fund officer of a medium-large firm has got so much career risk he doesn't know whether he's coming or going.”
Jeremy Grantham Mar 23, 2026 ▶ 59:20 Jeremy Grantham – Bubbles, Value Investing, and the Long Game at GMO (EP.493)
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