alpha

53 statements across 42 episodes · 18 bullish · 16 bearish · 38 people on the record · first statement Apr 13, 2017 by Andre Perold · across every show →

Everything said about alpha, oldest first

Apr 13, 2017
Insight
Perold: Alpha Is Found in Market Dislocations and Capital Shortages
“You find alpha most of the time where there are dislocations, where there are capital shortages in the world. You don't find alpha all the time on the corner of Fifth Avenue and 47th. It just doesn't sit there all the time.”
Andre Perold Apr 13, 2017 ▶ 34:35 André Perold – Academic Practitioner (Capital Allocators, EP.02)
Apr 13, 2017 negative
Insight
Perold: Generating high alpha for low management fees is a complete misnomer
“For the kinds of skill we're looking for, you need talent, and talent is expensive, so the idea that you can generate high alpha for low fees, I think, is a complete misnomer. Very hard to do... But when you find true talent, you gotta pay them, and I think yo…”
Andre Perold Apr 13, 2017 ▶ 44:15 André Perold – Academic Practitioner (Capital Allocators, EP.02)
Apr 13, 2017
Insight
Perold: The manager selection versus asset allocation debate is a false dichotomy
“I think there's a bit of a false dichotomy that people draw between what's more important, manager selection or asset allocation. So let me first say, if you're selecting managers who can't outperform. That's a problem. Then it's a problem. You should just ind…”
Andre Perold Apr 13, 2017 ▶ 33:36 André Perold – Academic Practitioner (Capital Allocators, EP.02)
May 2, 2017 neutral
Insight
O'Shaughnessy: Alpha in financial markets depends strictly on relative skill
“Really all that matters in markets is relative skill. That if you've got, you know, 10 PhDs in a room, maybe 3040 years ago, that meant you were going to earn enormous alpha. But now everyone has those 10 PhDs, and they're fighting against each other. It's a r…”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy May 2, 2017 ▶ 56:37 The Bet with Buffett (Capital Allocators, EP.05)
May 17, 2017 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Heller: Active alpha will never reliably return to 2000-era levels
“I think alpha's never going to be as high on a repeatable basis as it probably was in 2000 or one, but we still believe in active management very much.”
Jenny Heller May 17, 2017 ▶ 37:55 Jennifer Heller – Thinking it Through (Capital Allocators, EP.07)
Jul 17, 2017 bullish
Opinion
Blitz: Real estate offers high alpha due to limited security-level scrutiny
“A sector like real estate is sort of a boring sector, right? There's not that many people who are looking security by security and saying, you know, here's the characteristics of REIT A versus REIT B, right? It's not a particularly exciting area, but it's one …”
Adam Blitz Jul 17, 2017 ▶ 11:47 Adam Blitz – Inside Hedge Fund Allocation (Capital Allocators, EP.17)
Jan 8, 2018 bearish
Assertion Supported
Mauboussin: Standard Deviation Of Active Manager Alpha Has Narrowed Over Time
“So one of the ways to quantify that as we measure the standard deviation of excess returns, the standard deviation of alpha, right? So you imagine alpha plotted as a bell shaped distribution, which is roughly not a horrible way to look at it. And that bell has…”
Michael Mauboussin Jan 8, 2018 ▶ 14:58 Michael Mauboussin – Active Challenges, Rational Decisions and Team Dynamics (Capital Allocators, EP.36)
Sep 3, 2018 neutral
Insight
Williamson: Big investors profit from corporate value growth over alpha extraction
“Increasingly, particularly big investors recognize that the money that they're going to make is not necessarily by harvesting alpha and beating the other guy. It's by having economic value of those companies actually grow and generate revenues and innovation a…”
Sarah Williamson Sep 3, 2018 ▶ 13:19 Sarah Williamson – Focusing Capital on the Long-Term (Capital Allocators, EP.67)
Oct 22, 2018 bearish
Insight
Capital saturation and copycat fund spinoffs have severely compressed active alpha
“It dwarfed what we expected by a factor of five. And so, it's really hard to create a lot of active alpha when there's that much money in the space, and when a lot of the similar approaches, we're now almost on third generation, meaning, like, some of the earl…”
Andrew Tsai Oct 22, 2018 ▶ 1:00:07 Andrew Tsai – Catching a Theme on the Chalkstream (EP.73)
Nov 26, 2018 negative
Insight
Baumgartner: Inflows to investment strategies simultaneously lower returns and increase risk
“I do think that edge goes away, and people figure things out, and money piles into strategies, and when capital flows in anywhere, it wrecks. Not just future returns, but the risks go up as well. So getting dinged twice, you're getting a lower expected return,…”
Mark Baumgartner Nov 26, 2018 ▶ 34:49 Mark Baumgartner – Luck, Risk and Uncertainty at the Institute for Advanced Study (Capital Allocators, EP.77)
Feb 11, 2019 bearish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Management Fees Have Eaten Up Almost All Active Strategy Alpha
“When you look at it, the cost has eaten up almost all of the alpha inactive strategies.”
Chris Ailman Feb 11, 2019 ▶ 29:39 Chris Ailman – CalSTRS' Venerable CIO (Capital Allocators, EP.86)
May 6, 2019 positive
Insight
Long-lockup illiquid assets offer rich and repeatable alpha
“So when we think at the very top, we're thinking about illiquid assets, 10 to 12 year lockups, and that's a big, thick icing on the top. There's lots of alpha there. Lots of manager value added because it's an illiquid market. It's idiosyncratic. It takes spec…”
Jon Hirtle May 6, 2019 ▶ 30:59 Jon Hirtle – The Pioneer of OCIO (Capital Allocators, EP.98)
May 13, 2019 positive
Assertion Supported
Mauboussin: Funds Run by Three Portfolio Managers Generate the Most Alpha
“What it was found was that the funds that delivered the most Alpha were actually funds with three portfolio managers and better than single managers, and by the way, better than two and four.”
Michael Mauboussin May 13, 2019 ▶ 15:46 Michael Mauboussin – Who's on the Other Side (Capital Allocators, EP.99)
Jun 10, 2019
Insight
O'Shaughnessy: Reducing tracking error is much easier than finding new alpha
“It's actually far easier to shape down tracking error than it is to find new alpha. I could run a much lower tracking error process with not that much additional research. I can't just go find new alpha.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 24:29 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
Jun 10, 2019 bullish
Assertion Supported
O'Shaughnessy: Value Stocks Continue Generating Marginal Alpha for Up to 10 Years
“So if you buy in value today, you, on average, earn a little bit of alpha for a really long time. Most of it's early on, but you continue to earn marginal monthly alpha for up to 10 years.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 17:43 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
Jun 24, 2019 positive
Opinion
Whittaker: Social factors in ESG are an undiscovered source of alpha
“So, so I think the S of the ESG and the human element, let's call it, that we're picking up, is probably one of the most undiscovered sources of alpha. And when we do our factor analysis, one of the greatest contributors to the outperformance that we see.”
Martin Whittaker Jun 24, 2019 ▶ 37:21 Martin Whittaker – JUST Capital (First Meeting, EP.02)
Oct 21, 2019 neutral
Insight
Marshall: Managing a Treasury Book Generates Negligible Alpha
“There's not much alpha you can add managing a treasury book. So we don't really bother doing too much of that, so we have an index treasury book.”
Ana Marshall Oct 21, 2019 ▶ 32:52 Ana Marshall – Applied Direct Investing at the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation (Capital Allocators, EP.111)
Feb 3, 2020 negative
Assertion Supported
Kraus: Hedge funds generated no alpha in short positions over the last decade
“In general, across the industry, for long periods of time, last 10 years, there is no alpha in the short positions.”
Peter Kraus Feb 3, 2020 ▶ 43:54 Peter Kraus - Widening the Aperture on Alpha (First Meeting, EP.14)
Feb 3, 2020
Insight
Kraus: Alpha was easier to generate in the 1980s and 1990s
“And back at that time, Alpha was obviously easier to earn, fewer competitors, much smaller amounts of assets. You know, hedge funds in the eighties and early nineties were, some were large, some might have been multiple billions, but most were less than a bill…”
Peter Kraus Feb 3, 2020 ▶ 16:02 Peter Kraus - Widening the Aperture on Alpha (First Meeting, EP.14)
Feb 17, 2020 positive
Insight
Alpha comes from tedious trading that larger funds cannot execute
“Our logic, again, is that if we are doing things that other people are unwilling to do or unable to do, unwilling because it's tedious and boring, unable because of capacity issues, and we can do that, that should be where alpha is. I mean, that should be what…”
Dan Rasmussen Feb 17, 2020 ▶ 42:47 Dan Rasmussen – Private Equity Risk and Public Equity Opportunity at Verdad Advisers (First Meeting, EP.15)
Feb 24, 2020 neutral
Insight
Long/short funds should not generate alpha against long-only benchmarks in bull markets
“One of the things we don't expect our long, short managers to do is to generate alpha Against our long equity benchmark in a rising market. That would mean that they're pushing it too hard on the long side.”
Doug Phillips Feb 24, 2020 ▶ 41:24 Doug Phillips – Middle of the Fairway at the University of Rochester (Capital Allocators, EP.123)
Mar 23, 2020 positive
Insight
Mauboussin: High market return dispersion reveals true active manager skill
“What we have shown is that it's very clear that the standard deviation of alpha is Is greatest following periods of high dispersion. So that's saying that high dispersion allows, the tide goes out, you know, who's wearing a swimsuit. High dispersion, that allo…”
Michael Mauboussin Mar 23, 2020 ▶ 27:24 Michael Mauboussin – Consilient Observations in a Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.127)
Jul 20, 2020 negative
Insight
Trading algorithms and backtests without economic theory produce spurious correlations
“My biggest investment pet peeve is probably an over-reliance on trading algorithms and back tests that lack a foundation in underlying theory. Probably comes back to my academic roots. But while I believe big data is absolutely part of the answer, and there's …”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 1:01:17 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Sep 21, 2020 positive
Insight
Success ratios between 50% and 60% prove skill is statistically persistent
“If you begin to see that the individual not only Consistently delivers alpha, but their success ratio is consistently between 50 and 60%, so they're consistently getting it more right than wrong. There's a skew in there, and then you can look at how that works…”
Sir Paul Marshall Sep 21, 2020 ▶ 25:30 Paul Marshall – 10 ½ Lessons from 23 years at Marshall Wace (Capital Allocators, EP.157)
Sep 28, 2020
Insight
Ellis: Passive Market Beta Is Free While Alpha Merits Management Fees
“The fee for beta today is nothing, right? I mean, you can go and buy a passive index of whatever beta you want for nothing. The alpha is what's valuable, and people are happy to pay for that and should pay for that.”
Luke Ellis Sep 28, 2020 ▶ 41:12 Luke Ellis and Mario Therrien – Best Practices in Alternatives (Capital Allocators, EP.158)
Sep 28, 2020 neutral
Insight
Ellis: Allocators consistently accept paying 25% to 30% of generated alpha
“I think the proportion of alpha that clients are happy to leave with a manager Has not really changed over years. You know, you can debate, and maybe it's something to do with the quality of the returns, some number between 25 and 30% of alpha that clients are…”
Luke Ellis Sep 28, 2020 ▶ 35:06 Luke Ellis and Mario Therrien – Best Practices in Alternatives (Capital Allocators, EP.158)
Oct 19, 2020 neutral
Insight
Thome argues private equity alpha cannot be separated from beta
“Private equity for sure. You can't separate the alpha from the beta. That's just one package.”
Carrie Thome Oct 19, 2020 ▶ 26:27 Carrie Thome – Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained at WARF and beyond (Capital Allocators, EP.160)
Dec 21, 2020
Insight
Perold: Alpha is scarce, transient, and quickly competed away
“I've always said, and I still believe that alpha is scarce, and it's transient. It doesn't stick around for very long because it gets competed away. And so you always have to skate to where the puck is going, knowing that it's not going to stay long in any one…”
André Perold Dec 21, 2020 ▶ 6:00 André Perold – Pockets of Inefficiency at HighVista Strategies (Capital Allocators, EP.169)
Mar 15, 2021 positive
Opinion
Ginns: The Wall Street Journal is the most underrated source of alpha
“I think the journal is the most underrated source of context and alpha in like any asset class that you're investing in. Everyone assumes it's information that's already out there, so you're not going to get much value from it, and the reality is most people, …”
Seth Ginns Mar 15, 2021 ▶ 1:02:06 Crypto for Institutions 3: Seth Ginns – Investing Beyond Bitcoin (Capital Allocators, EP.182)
Apr 12, 2021
Disclosure
Liow: Aravt targets 500 to 800 bps of consistent short alpha
“Our mission on the short side is to deliver five to 800 basis points of alpha consistently.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 33:46 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Aug 26, 2021 bullish
Insight
Rieder: Real alpha in fixed income will come from bespoke structured originations
“I think where a lot of the real alpha is going to be going forward. It's bespoke investments where you functionally create the investment, whether it's in the commercial real estate or resi or a European asset finance. The term loan to an aircraft producer. Th…”
Rick Rieder Aug 26, 2021 ▶ 30:11 Rick Rieder – BlackRock (Manager Meetings, EP.08)
Sep 20, 2021 neutral
Insight
Ellis: In alpha investing, average managers lose money
“And in alpha space, average managers lose money. You don't make alpha unless you are exceptionally good. And people think as long as you're reasonable, you'll do all right. Good isn't good enough. You've got to be great.”
Luke Ellis Sep 20, 2021 ▶ 13:44 Luke Ellis – The Man Behind The Man Group (Capital Allocators, EP.214)
Sep 20, 2021
Insight
Ellis: Alpha generation requires a repeatable process rather than style drifting
“You have to have a repeatable process. It doesn't happen that one day you're a growth investor and the next day you're a value investor, that you're a bit of macro and then you're a bit of bottom up and you're, I don't believe in that.”
Luke Ellis Sep 20, 2021 ▶ 15:29 Luke Ellis – The Man Behind The Man Group (Capital Allocators, EP.214)
Sep 20, 2021 negative
Disclosure
Ellis: Top-down asset allocation to predict alpha added zero value
“We spent an enormous amount of time in conference rooms doing asset allocation meetings, trying to predict where did we think there was going to be alpha next year? Was it going to be an event year where there's going to be more alpha in stock picking in Europ…”
Luke Ellis Sep 20, 2021 ▶ 12:40 Luke Ellis – The Man Behind The Man Group (Capital Allocators, EP.214)
Sep 20, 2021 negative
Insight
Ellis: Taking too much capital into a strategy is alpha's second-biggest enemy
“If hubris is the biggest enemy of alpha, the second biggest enemy is taking too much capital into a strategy.”
Luke Ellis Sep 20, 2021 ▶ 19:16 Luke Ellis – The Man Behind The Man Group (Capital Allocators, EP.214)
Sep 20, 2021 negative
Insight
Ellis: Strategy alpha degrades non-linearly and collapses off a cliff
“What I experienced in investing in funds is alpha maintains much more than people expect for a certain period of time in a strategy, certain size growth in a strategy. But once it starts to drift off, it collapses and goes negative. And once you fall off the c…”
Luke Ellis Sep 20, 2021 ▶ 35:37 Luke Ellis – The Man Behind The Man Group (Capital Allocators, EP.214)
Jan 10, 2022 bullish
Insight
Taking a startup from zero to one represents pure alpha
“The thing that has always attracted me to the seed stage has been that there's no beta in going from zero to one. That's all alpha.”
Chris Douvos Jan 10, 2022 ▶ 35:07 Chris Douvos – The LP's Perspective from Ahoy Capital, Venture is Eating the Investment World 2 (Capital Allocators, EP.230)
Jun 2, 2022 bullish
Insight
Drogen: Crypto alpha concentrates in annoying, high-friction tasks like wallet setup
“The most alpha is usually found in the things that are annoying and hardest to do. Meaning if you have to set up a new wallet, if you got to get on some new exchange, if you got to learn some new protocol.”
Leigh Drogen Jun 2, 2022 ▶ 47:45 Leigh Drogen – Quantamental Approach to Crypto at Starkiller Capital (Manager Meeting, EP.32)
Aug 15, 2022
Assertion Supported
Enright: Large-Cap Outperformance Crowds Out Alpha Generation
“Mobuson did a study where he showed that when large caps outperform, alpha's harder to find because they crowd everything out.”
Paul Enright Aug 15, 2022 ▶ 22:08 Paul Enright – Inside Long-Short Equity Investing (Capital Allocators, EP.266)
Oct 17, 2022 negative
Insight
Griffith: Growing AUM from $1B to $5B turns alpha into beta
“Sometimes the right size is small, and you have to be happy with that. You can't grow beyond where that alpha component is going to be reduced. There are plenty of people who are great at running a billion, but then they end up running five billion, and they s…”
Reade Griffith Oct 17, 2022 ▶ 36:05 Reade Griffith – Managing Assets and Partnerships at Tetragon (Capital Allocators, EP.276)
Dec 15, 2022 negative
Disclosure
Geremia: MFS aims for full-cycle outperformance rather than 1-to-5-year alpha
“We do not believe that we exist to generate alpha over short measurement periods like one, three, and five. Our goal is to outperform over a full market cycle”
Carol Geremia Dec 15, 2022 ▶ 17:13 Carol Geremia - Creating Long-Term Value for (almost) 100 Years at MFS (Capital Allocators, EP. 287)
Aug 14, 2023 negative
Disclosure
Packard Foundation is decreasing expected alpha in its portfolio models
“I do know we are decreasing alpha in our models, just in terms of what we expected historically.”
Kimberly Sargent Aug 14, 2023 ▶ 39:46 Kimberly Sargent – Passion and Mission at the Packard Foundation (EP.333)
Aug 21, 2023 positive
Disclosure
Miranda: Partners Capital seeks to pay performance fees only on alpha
“We're always trying to make sure we're only paying performance fees on the alpha, not the beta.”
Stan Miranda Aug 21, 2023 ▶ 33:42 Stan Miranda – Modern Endowment Model at Partners Capital (EP.334)
Aug 21, 2023 neutral
Insight
Allocators must scrutinize alpha because it is likely unrecognized factor beta
“You should pay huge attention to any source of alpha. It's probably beta.”
Stan Miranda Aug 21, 2023 ▶ 29:28 Stan Miranda – Modern Endowment Model at Partners Capital (EP.334)
Jan 15, 2024 bullish
Disclosure
Michelakis: Gladstone Targets 20% Alpha Versus the 3% Platform Standard
“And then if you go all the way to the factor neutral world, it seems that three percent alpha works for everybody. That's fine. We're shooting for 20% alpha.”
George Mikulakis Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 44:30 George Michelakis – Chess Master's Approach to Long-Short Equity at Gladstone (EP.362)
Jan 29, 2024 positive
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Future Fund Generated 2.5% Annual Excess Returns Over 18 Years
“When we break down the returns over the life of the fund, 18 years now, we've added about two and a half percent per annum, which we think is pretty good, and it's actually split, interestingly, only about a half a percent to diversification in the traditional…”
Raphael Arndt Jan 29, 2024 ▶ 26:07 Raphael Arndt – The Death of Traditional Portfolio Construction? (EP.365)
Apr 22, 2024
Insight
Morehead: Excessive portfolio diversification diversifies away alpha
“Diversification cuts both ways. It eliminates systemic risk, but it also diversifies away your alpha if it's too diversified.”
David Morehead Apr 22, 2024 ▶ 56:11 David Morehead – Top Down Allocation at Baylor (EP.381)
May 13, 2024 bearish
Prediction Open · timeframe May 2029
Asness: Multi-manager pod shops probably cannot grow by another 5x
“I tend to think those shops probably can't grow by another factor of five. There's just a limit to alpha. There are limits how many great traders that are out there.”
Cliff Asness May 13, 2024 ▶ 45:04 Cliff Asness - Simple Investing is Hard (EP.385)
Sep 9, 2024 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
AI will accelerate market efficiency, making alpha harder to generate
“Alpha is going to get harder and harder and harder. It already has gotten harder. AI is going to actually speed up that as well. And so as investors thinking about beta is going to become more and more important over time and having the best beta you possibly …”
Jace Auby Sep 9, 2024 ▶ 55:36 Jase Auby - Risk, Size, and Talent at Texas Teachers (EP.404)
Feb 24, 2025 positive
Insight
Barth: The most interesting alpha originates from capital scarcity
“And so I think the most interesting alpha today comes from a lack of capital. And that lack of capital can either be because it's unfavored or And that goes to being contrarian. Something's cheap because people hate it. It can be a lack of capital because of a…”
Brett Barth Feb 24, 2025 ▶ 45:51 Brett Barth and Evan Roth – Stewarding Family Wealth at BBR (EP.433)
Mar 3, 2025 positive
Insight
Zorub: High active share and concentration systematically drive investment alpha
“Strategies that do three things over time really outperform. And those three things are invest with high active share. So you don't, by definition, look like an index. Second, concentrate in your best ideas in recognition of the fact that actually markets are …”
David Zorub Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 11:20 David Zorub - Navigating Hedge Fund Headwinds at Parsifal (EP.434)
Mar 3, 2025 neutral
Insight
Zorub: Most alpha-generating strategies fail to scale or replicate
“The truth is, is that most strategies that can generate alpha don't scale and aren't even necessarily replicable.”
David Zorub Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 9:05 David Zorub - Navigating Hedge Fund Headwinds at Parsifal (EP.434)
Jan 12, 2026 positive
Insight
Monk: Neurodiversity generates alpha by interpreting data differently
“There's some neurodiversity throughout our industry, and we're trying to write a paper that says this is how you can see the same data set differently. That's the pathway to alpha.”
Ashby Monk Jan 12, 2026 ▶ 58:40 Ashby Monk – Total Portfolio Approach and the Future of Asset Owners (EP.480)
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