Taimur Hyat

Chief Operating Officer, PGIM · 1 appearance on the record.

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Taimur Hyat is Chief Operating Officer at PGIM, where he oversees operations, corporate strategy, innovation, and thematic research. He previously served as an economist and management consultant, holding senior roles at McKinsey & Company, Lehman Brothers, and Credit Suisse.

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Prediction Held up
Philippines, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Mexico will gain as supply chains leave China
“Places like the Philippines, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Mexico will gain as a result of that kind of second location as they scale back in China and scale up there.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 24:03 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)

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Everything Taimur Hyat said on Capital Allocators that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Modern economics prioritizes econometric complexity over implementable policy
“Modern economics this is a whole separate discussion we can have, is increasingly caught up in econometric complexity, rather than trying to find policy conclusions that maybe don't have a 99%, sometimes spurious confidence interval, but actually are policy im…”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 8:08 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Globalization will ultimately prevail over the short-term rise of nationalism
“So when a range of nationalist leaders rose across the U.S. And Europe, we did a report on the ongoing tussle between sovereignty and nationalism, and who'll win in the short term, which was nationalism, but why we think there's still lots of reasons why globa…”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 22:01 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Opinion
Classic credit rating models undervalue intangible assets and cost variabilization
“For one, we believe some of the classic credit rating models undervalue intangible assets and the variabilization of costs of intangible models versus ones where you have factories and machineries and equipment.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 30:43 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Consumer willingness to watch TV commercials is effectively over
“I think apart from big sporting events, the time when people are willing to sit through a bunch of ads as they watch their favorite TV programs may well be over.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 37:26 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Physical offices will survive because companies cannot reinforce culture remotely
“We do think the demise of the office is a place where people convene, where companies' cultures and visions and missions are reinforced, particularly for new employees as these companies grow and change, will remain more important than those who say everybody …”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 39:11 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Opinion
Companies can no longer afford to solely maximize shareholder value
“Whether you agree with that view or not, companies can no longer afford to be perceived to be following that philosophy, and some of them are walking the walk, But all of them are talking the talk, but they all recognize that there's a much broader alliance of…”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 48:03 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Insight
Trading algorithms and backtests without economic theory produce spurious correlations
“My biggest investment pet peeve is probably an over-reliance on trading algorithms and back tests that lack a foundation in underlying theory. Probably comes back to my academic roots. But while I believe big data is absolutely part of the answer, and there's …”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 1:01:17 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Insight
Micro-land ownership unlocks critical credit access in developing economies
“If you own a land the size of a tablecloth, it gives you access to credit markets in rural economies around the world, in poor countries, and that access to credit markets lets you weather storms in a way. That if you have to pay for a big wedding, if you have…”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 6:57 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Insight
Captive asset managers need third-party clients to attract top talent
“Because to get the best talent and to have somebody who doesn't just hire you, but can also fire you when you underperform, you need third party clients.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 17:47 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Prediction Held up
Philippines, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Mexico will gain as supply chains leave China
“Places like the Philippines, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Mexico will gain as a result of that kind of second location as they scale back in China and scale up there.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 24:03 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Investors will accept lower cost efficiency for supply chain resilience
“We believe in the medium term, investors will be willing to give up some of the upside of the leanest possible supply chain, For a more resilient supply chain that can weather other tail risks.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 25:19 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Data analytics will reduce consumer goods inventory despite pandemic shortage fears
“There we think just the increasing use of big data and data analytics to predict consumer demand and actually reduce the amount of inventory will be a more powerful force than the fact that there were shortages in certain areas.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 28:04 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Manufacturers will shift from just-in-time toward just-in-case inventory
“We do feel that the parts that are used to manufacture the end product will get more robust, and perhaps companies are thinking they went a little too far down the just-in-time spectrum. And they need to be a little further on the just-in-case spectrum as well…”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 28:38 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Emerging markets list a higher proportion of intangible-heavy companies
“I think in emerging markets, more of these intangible heavy companies are listed than here.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 32:29 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Assertion Supported
The decline in public companies is strictly a Western phenomenon
“Again, it is a US and perhaps European phenomenon. You are still seeing lots of IPOs and new companies. Accessing public markets in China and emerging markets, and we think that's good.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 33:58 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Assertion Partly supported
Institutional search for yield drives capital into private debt
“So the combination of all those factors is driving to greater allocations to privates I think given some of the high valuations pre-coronavirus, particularly private real estate debt and private debt, rather than necessarily private equity, where there was per…”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 34:45 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Prediction Held up
Permanent shift to online grocery will drive cold storage real estate
“Cold storage facilities as groceries go online as well. Nobody wants to touch that cold tomato or squeeze that line before they buy it, but are willing to buy it online. I think that will be a permanent shift in the convenience factor. So cold storage real est…”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 38:54 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Assertion Supported
Co-working models historically weather economic downturns poorly due to balance sheets
“So we were always skeptical about the ability of some of the co-working models because of their unique personal balance sheet situations to weather a downturn, and there's a rich history of co-working and flexible space providers weathering downturns badly.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 43:01 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Assertion Supported
Board tenure and company valuation follow a curved, nonlinear relationship
“QMA, our quant business, did some great analysis on what is considered a linear relationship where, you know, very mature boards are considered to be less dynamic than new boards. And in reality, when you explore the valuation relationship between board length…”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 52:01 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Opinion
Institutional pharma sales practices are far ahead of asset management
“Institutional pharmaceutical sales is far more ahead of our institutional asset managers work.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 10:10 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Insight
Real organizational change requires internal operators, not outside consultants
“You recognize that some of the real challenges around talent and organization and how to convince people to do things rather than what the five-page PowerPoint answer is. And you can really only do that as an insider, I believe, rather than as an outsider.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 10:31 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Insight
Avoid matching competitors with different balance sheets and fatal leverage
“And second, don't get so caught up in competing with others who may have very different balance sheets or asset bases relative to yours. That you end up creating leverage or equity situations where you may not be able to survive when markets turn.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 12:53 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Assertion Supported
PGIM manages $1.3T, earning 80% of fees from third-party clients
“So we have about 1.3 trillion in assets, largely third party. 80% of our fees come from third party clients, institutional and retail.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 16:20 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)
Assertion Supported
Intangible assets now drive 85% of S&P 500 value
“85% of the value of the S&P 500 is now driven by intangible assets, according to some studies, up from about 20, 25% of a few decades ago.”
Taimur Hyat Jul 20, 2020 ▶ 29:37 Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149)

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Taimur Hyat – After the Great Lockdown (Capital Allocators, EP.149) Jul 20, 2020 45m
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