Yen Liow

Founder & Managing Partner, Aravt Global · 1 appearance on the record.

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Liow manages fundamental long/short and long-only equity strategies centered on concentrated, high-conviction portfolios of durable compounders possessing monopolistic or oligopolistic competitive advantages. Prior to establishing Aravt Global in 2014, he spent over a decade as a Principal and Managing Director at Ziff Brothers Investments.

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1 prediction · 8 assertions · 4 opinions · 13 insights · 12 disclosures · every statement was checked. The prediction and assertions are the 9 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 5 are resolved, 1 is not yet assessed, and 3 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Yen argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Liow: Only 3% of $1B+ stocks compound at 20%+ over rolling decades
“And what I found is about 14% of securities above a billion dollars in market cap could do it. This was in the prior 26 years. And only three percent of securities could do it for 10 year rolling periods.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 13:36 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)

Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
Liow: 20% equity market drawdowns occur about 5% of the time
“The base rate of a 20% drawdown in markets is about five percent of time.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 43:51 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)

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Everything Yen Liow said on Capital Allocators that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Liow: Averaging down in low-predictability environments is bravado, not skill
“Because if it's a low prediction environment where you're doubling down, in my view, that's bravado. That's not skill. You're not basing that on fact and you're not thinking probabilistically. You're actually, that's a price signal that has no effective messag…”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 27:36 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Disclosure
Liow: Aravt Global spends under a third of research time generating short alpha
“Us as an institution, we would spend less than a third of our time short selling less than a third. And we can sustain five to 800 basis points a short alpha by doing that because we've built up seven years of inventory.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 39:40 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Short positions are the most dangerous portfolio risk in a drawdown
“In a massive drawdown, your shorts have been eviscerated. You have to cover them. They're extremely dangerous. In fact, they're the most dangerous thing in your portfolio.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 44:42 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Prediction Open · timeframe Apr 2031
Liow in 2021: S&P 500 will struggle to exceed mid-single digit returns
“In fact, I think it's challenging to do even higher than mid-single digits this next decade.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 49:33 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Hedge funds love turnaround plays, but they resist risk management
“The quality transition is usually got some M&A component to this. By the way, hedge funds love this. Why? Because it's highly idiosyncratic. It's a But it's very, very low prediction environment, and what I mean by that is there's lots of variables to get this…”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 19:45 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Holding cash is a mathematical drag on 20% compounders
“Always love to hold a little bit of dry powder. It's very expensive when you're compounding at 20 plus percent. And history will tell you the math is severely against you.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 23:17 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Opinion
Liow: Managing upside volatility is the true test of compounder investing
“And I believe for compounders, upside volatility is the true show of skill.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 24:02 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Disclosure
Aravt Global trades on T+1; Liow does not use a Bloomberg terminal
“In fact, we don't even trade day off. I don't even have a Bloomberg, right? We trade on a T plus one basis to remove the adrenal elements of decision making.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 27:18 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Opinion
Liow: Daily portfolio re-underwriting is a false paradigm and tax-inefficient
“We do not think every day if we bought our portfolio what we do. I think that's a false paradigm. And by the way, Antithetical to tax effective investing. I just, I believe it's false precision.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 32:13 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Liow: Six of the top 10 performing index stocks annually are low-quality
“So if you study Any index in any year in the world, six of the top 10 are really low quality businesses.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 34:08 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Mandating fixed short gross exposure drives short book underperformance
“I think another material source of short underperformance is if you have to run at a certain level of short gross, you will jam it.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 37:52 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Post-GFC short rebate collapse raised required break-even alpha to 800 bps
“At 500 basis points, you needed about three to 400 basis points of alpha to break even through cycle. That lets you lever for long short spread through cycle. Now it's closer to 800 basis points. That's a very heavy lift to break even.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 49:02 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Institutions struggle against individuals in microcaps, leaving the market inefficient
“It's very difficult for institutions to compete against individuals in microcap. Henceforth, it's systematically Inefficient.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 1:02:46 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Opinion
Liow: A book on Genghis Khan is a top-five investment book ever
“Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World. Changed my life. I think it's a top five investment book of all time, written by Professor Jack Weatherford.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 1:11:50 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Four edges in investing are informational, analytical, behavioral, structural
“So the pursuit of compounded returns over long periods of time, the four edges were informational, analytical, behavioral, and then structural.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 9:41 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Assertion Supported
Liow: Only 3% of $1B+ stocks compound at 20%+ over rolling decades
“And what I found is about 14% of securities above a billion dollars in market cap could do it. This was in the prior 26 years. And only three percent of securities could do it for 10 year rolling periods.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 13:36 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Three distinct frameworks drive right-tail equity returns
“So the three are built up of one is compounders at large. There's lots of different variants in there dependent upon the growth rates and evaluation paradigms. The second is called secular within cyclical. It's a commodity framework where there's a demand shoc…”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 14:25 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Valuation multiples matter little for 10-year equity returns
“In the short term, multiple is a very large driver. By the time year three through five, it's almost exclusively earnings power that's driving total return, and by year 10, multiple almost has nothing to do with it.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 15:44 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Secular-within-cyclical setups create 10-baggers via multiple and earnings growth
“You have an entire demand shock shift in the demand curve. Into a fixed or delayed supply response. So what happens is you have a lower quality industry and margins explode and stay high for multiple years. And that drives a rerating from usually a mid single …”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 18:32 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: Detailed spreadsheets with exact decimal points create false precision
“If it requires a five page spreadsheet and third decimal point, Hey, it's BSE and BS out and it's complete false precision.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 32:33 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Insight
Liow: First-quartile shorts are dangerous; target the second quartile instead
“The left side, we're focused on the second quartile consistently because the first quartile is extremely dangerous and very hard to replicate.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 34:38 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Disclosure
Liow: Aravt sizes top 10 positions by downside risk, not upside
“We're pretty concentrated in our top 10, but we do it facing downwards, not upwards, where how much money can you lose in the big positions, not how much money that can you make. That's the only way you navigate for duration.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 41:22 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Assertion Contradicted
Liow: 20% equity market drawdowns occur about 5% of the time
“The base rate of a 20% drawdown in markets is about five percent of time.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 43:51 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)
Disclosure
Liow: Aravt uses scaling management fees and a hard hurdle with no catch-up
“And so I believe, and that's what we've done too, is a scaling management fee, a fixed hurdle, right? Hard hurdle, no catch up, and then a fixed component of the carry above it.”
Yen Liow Apr 12, 2021 ▶ 52:49 Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188)

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Yen Liow - The Quest for the Right Tail at Aravt Global (Capital Allocators, EP.188) Apr 12, 2021 1h 0m
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