Zach Bookman

Co-Founder and Chairman Emeritus, OpenGov · 1 appearance on the record.

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In 2012, Bookman co-founded OpenGov to provide cloud software to state and local governments, scaling it until its acquisition by Cox Enterprises in 2024. Before launching the company, he clerked on the Ninth Circuit and advised General H.R. McMaster's Anti-Corruption Task Force in Kabul, Afghanistan.

18statements → 6claims → 3claims resolved → 67%fully supported → 3.89/5average certainty → 2.28/5average debate potential →

2 supported 0 partly supported 1 contradicted 3 not checkable as stated how the 6 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

6 assertions · 3 opinions · 7 insights · 2 disclosures · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 6 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 3 are resolved, and 3 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Zach argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Bookman: Corruption at Dawood Military Hospital Caused Afghan Soldiers to Starve
“There was this really brutal scandal in the Dawood Military Hospital, where The corruption ran all the way through the hospital to the point where the nurses at bedside were demanding payments from af, wounded Afghan soldiers in order to receive food and water…”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 4:50 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale

Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
Bookman: 1% of Oracle public sector clients sue and over half dissatisfied
“Some of the stats, Oracle, apparently, one percent of its public sector customers end up in lawsuits. And more than half end up, quote, fully dissatisfied.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 17:31 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale

Expressed certainty vs assessment result

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weighted support: a fully supported claim counts one, a partly supported claim counts half. Each filled bar is clickable and opens exactly those claims; "none yet" means nothing said at that certainty level has resolved yet

How they sound: not measured why? →

We measure speaking style by listening to the audio itself, and a fair number needs at least 2,000 words from one person on tape we have measured. There is too little of Zach Bookman on measured tape to publish a rate. This says nothing about how they speak.

Everything Zach Bookman said on American Optimist that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Bookman: Andreessen Horowitz Acted Like SoftBank a Decade Ago
“They were the soft bank, you know, like, 10, 10, 12 years ago.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 12:10 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Contradicted
Bookman: 1% of Oracle public sector clients sue and over half dissatisfied
“Some of the stats, Oracle, apparently, one percent of its public sector customers end up in lawsuits. And more than half end up, quote, fully dissatisfied.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 17:31 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bookman: US aid sent shipping containers of laptops to illiterate Afghan councils
“Turns out we bought them a shipping container full of laptops. And he's like, the issue is we don't read and write. This is the type of stuff that was going on all over the place. It's actually good intentions, just preposterous executions.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 9:03 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Bookman: Software companies must build systems of record before leveraging network data
“You come for the tool, you stay for the network. We've got to build the systems of record before we get the data to do the amazing things that we always wanted to do.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 21:39 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Opinion
Bookman: Aggressive government reform will fail without institutional empathy
“I do think this is an undertaking of extraordinary magnitude, and look, it's going to be extremely contentious, including to, you know, go full Twitter style on various government agencies, but there needs to be a level of, there needs to be a level of empathy…”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 35:35 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Bookman: Overcapitalizing Startups Without PMF Breeds Waste and Cultural Issues
“And it's small. It's not ready. It didn't actually have product market fit. You dump a ton of money on it and great things happen. Not usually, actually. All sorts of waste and pockets of waste and weird cultural problems.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 11:44 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Bookman: Nonprofits cannot build enterprise software at scale
“And it was through that work that actually you and we realized you can't really build technology and software at real scale and get it to the enterprise in a nonprofit context. You've got to combine the for profit motive to get the very best people with the m…”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 14:01 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Opinion
Bookman: Govtech Competitors Acquired for Financials Rather Than Product Quality
“Our competitors would buy companies Based on revenue, based on profit, customer footprint, based on basically anything other than product quality.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 28:38 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bookman: Many governments are using AI ahead of certain private companies
“We see many governments, believe it or not, that are actually using AI in some cases ahead of certain companies.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 39:01 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Supported
Bookman: Corruption at Dawood Military Hospital Caused Afghan Soldiers to Starve
“There was this really brutal scandal in the Dawood Military Hospital, where The corruption ran all the way through the hospital to the point where the nurses at bedside were demanding payments from af, wounded Afghan soldiers in order to receive food and water…”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 4:50 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Bookman: Smart people working in committees prevents things from happening
“The other thing I saw was when you have loads of smart people working in committees, things don't really happen.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 7:23 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Bookman: Selling benchmarking data to governments is not a viable software business
“They say they want it, and then they'll offer you 5000 bucks for it. Well, you know what? It costs a lot more than 5000 bucks to build, and a lot more than 5000 bucks to even sell it to you. It's not a business.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 20:41 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bookman: Half of OpenGov's team quit following pivot to systems of record
“Half the freaking team quit in the next two or three months.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 21:47 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Bookman: Multi-fund accounting is the core difference between governments and companies
“The core difference between a company and a government is often the multi-fund accounting. So everyone says, you're taxing my gas, you idiots, you can't even, you know, deliver My water correctly. Well, I can't spend the gas tax on your water because it goes i…”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 27:00 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Disclosure
Bookman: OpenGov originally mistakenly assumed government needs were uniform
“And this is something we started off with that I think we weren't very clear on. We thought there is a little more one size fits all. The tech can be useful, but the way they want to use the tech is very, very different.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 41:45 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Supported
Bookman: Half of Taxpayer Dollars Go to State and Local Governments
“Half of our money, half of the taxpayer dollars go to state and local governments, and we never talk about it.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 44:08 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Bookman: Immersive creative flow relieves executive stress better than passive relaxation
“It was Winston Churchill who, he took a painting, and he said, you know, the ultimate, ah, relief from statecraft is not actual relaxation and, you know, sunshine, or hanging out in the chaise lounge, it's like, it's painting, and using the other side of your …”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 46:29 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale
Disclosure
Bookman: OpenGov Lost 25% of Staff After Iowa Govtech Acquisition
“The enterprise asset management acquisition in Iowa, we lost a quarter of the people.”
Zach Bookman Jan 23, 2025 ▶ 31:31 $2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
$2B Gov Tech CEO's Warning for DOGE · Joe Lonsdale Jan 23, 2025 32m
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