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Sacks: RESTRICT Act allows $1M fine and 20-year prison terms for VPN TikTok access
“What the act provides is that a US citizen using a VPN to access TikTok could theoretically be subjected to a maximum penalty of one million in fines or 20 years in prison or both.”
Shapiro: China uses TikTok as a psychological operations weapon
“I just look at how China has utilized TikTok as a PSYOP weapon in a myriad of ways, gathering data, putting out its own propaganda.”
Sacks: TikTok propaganda concerns are an exaggerated moral panic
“And I think that this idea that it's somehow a propaganda tool around, you know, programming our youth, I think that's a moral panic that's been exaggerated.”
Sacks predicts TikTok will be shut down in US, not divested
“So I don't think they're going to be able to divest. I think they're just going to get shut down.”
Chamath: Facebook, Google, Apple, and TikTok are all infiltrated by foreign intelligence
“Facebook is infiltrated. Google is infiltrated. Apple is infiltrated. TikTok is infiltrated. So on that dimension, I think that it should be considered a hundred percent certainty that this data is getting back to not just the Chinese, but multiple state spons…”
Calacanis: Chinese operators use TikTok to track users and program children
“And then the Chinese are running it, and they're programming our children and have all their data and locations.”
Sacks: TikTok paying Oracle political protection money; deal will fail
“It's bite dance paying political protection money to Larry Ellison to be their bodyguard in this political process. But, and I, but that's why I don't think it's going to fly.”
TikTok is essentially a vehicle for China to spy on Americans
“That's where I think TikTok is actually really important. It's essentially a vehicle to spy and backdoor into Americans.”
Friedberg: Merging social platforms and studio content will challenge Netflix and YouTube
“So I do think that the distribution that Has been delivered by this kind of social media model, like YouTube and TikTok combined with the premium model may end up creating a real category killer that can challenge both YouTube and Netflix.”
Lutnick predicts an American buyer will acquire TikTok over a shutdown
“I think that deal will happen, and America will buy TikTok, because the alternative is It just shuts it off, and that just seems illogical.”
Lutnick: Trump supports TikTok surviving if wholly American-owned and operated
“Well, the president is reasonably positive about tick tock, provided it goes into American hands. And it's controlled by American technology, right? I think that's his view, is that they've got to be out of it. It's got to be on an American technology stack, a…”
Williamson: 100 TikTok subscribers are worth one YouTube subscriber
“One TikTok sub is worth, you know, a hundred TikTok subs is maybe worth one YouTube sub.”
Friedberg: Forcing TikTok equity surrender sets dangerous precedent for US firms abroad
“I do worry a lot about the precedent being set here with respect to foreign government actions on U.S. Companies in their local countries. Imagine the CCP tells Tesla they have to sell their Chinese operations and give 50% of the Chinese operations to the Chin…”
Swalwell: Trump will allow TikTok to operate in US
“I mean, I think Donald Trump is going to allow TikTok.”
Chamath Palihapitiya predicts TikTok will be acquired extremely cheaply under Donald Trump
“And I think that we'll probably find one. And I think that it probably happens under the Trump presidency and whoever gets their hands on it, gets their hands on an incredible asset. That they will be able to buy extremely cheaply, because there is no way that…”
Thiel predicts US will ban TikTok within 24 hours of Taiwan invasion
“TikTok will be banned, 24 hours after the Taiwan invasion.”
Haidt: Most NYU students using TikTok wish it was never invented
“How many of you use TikTok or one of those programs at least once a week? The great, not everybody, but the great majority of hands go up. How many of you wish that it was never invented? The great majority of hands go up.”
Calacanis: Trump and Ramaswamy flip-flopped on banning TikTok for donor money
“And then there are guys like Trump and Vivek, who I believe are flip-flopping based on securing bags.”
Calacanis: TikTok or ByteDance will go public or spin out in 2024
“I'm gonna say this year that I think TikTok goes public, and they'll be under pressure from different political factions to get the CCP off the board. So I'm going to go with by dance taking, going public or tick tock spinning out and going public.”
Sacks: TikTok faces either divestiture or a US shutdown
“I think it is divestiture or shutdown for TikTok.”
Palihapitiya: TikTok will be shut down in the US, not divested
“I think it'll be shut down. I think they're getting kicked out of the United States.”
Friedberg: TikTok will be forced to spin off to US investors
“I think they're probably gonna have to spin this thing out. And if they hold any equity, if the Chinese parent company holds any equity interest, it'll probably be non-voting shares. And there'll be a mandate that the majority of the shares and some degree of …”
Chamath predicts TikTok will be banned in the United States
“Will it be banned? Yes, because it's the most obvious cultural way to pick a fight with China without actually picking a fight with China.”
Sacks predicts TikTok will not be destroyed by US-China competition
“I don't think Chamath is right that TikTok is going to be GPC roadkill.”
Chamath: TikTok advertisers will soon face major pressure
“I think the next big shoe to drop is going to be advertisers who come under a lot of pressure.”
Calacanis predicts TikTok will be forced to divest Chinese ownership and go public
“And my runner-up is TikTok is gonna divest under duress. I think that it's going to have to go public, and the Chinese are gonna divest their interest in it and just take their chips because they're gonna be faced with the existential threat during the politic…”
Chamath: Chinese government controls all American TikTok user data
“They also control all the data of everybody that uses TikTok in America.”
Palihapitiya: ByteDance must carve out TikTok to protect its equity value
“No, but I do think that TikTok needs to get carved out of ByteDance and it needs to have a completely American cap table, but that shouldn't be a government edict. That should be something that the ByteDance investors and board are scrambling to do right now b…”
Sacks: TikTok concerns will be swept under the rug with no restrictions
“I think the sad reality is that the whole TikTok thing is going to get swept under the rug. I think there'll be no restrictions on TikTok.”
TikTok faces US ban unless ByteDance sells majority control to Americans
“I think that TikTok, unless they basically have ByteDance sell under 20 or 30% of the company and get it into the hands of Americans it will get banned.”
Sacks: Kids find social media far more engaging than AI chatbots
“Look, if you actually look at the data, if you look at what kids are doing, it's so much more interactive and engaging for them to talk to their friends on Snap or to watch videos on TikTok. Those things are super engaging. Whereas doing research on an AI chat…”
Calacanis says Trump should avoid antitrust intervention involving the Ellison family
“If we start thinking about the influence that Ellison, the Ellison family is having on the Trump administration, whether it's quid pro quo or it's the appearance of quid pro quo, it's best for Trump to stay out of it because already we have the TikTok deal. No…”
Yakovenko: Crypto monetization could enable a viable competitor to TikTok
“I personally think that you could build a competitive product to TikTok with crypto if the magic, you caught that kind of lightning in a bottle, because the monetization mechanism with crypto is so different than the ad-based one.”
Laffont: Coatue valued ByteDance on Chinese business, discounting TikTok US
“We never attributed much value to the, you know, the TikTok US asset in the sense of our analysis was always based on the value of the Chinese business, specifically because it's just hard to know what the, you know, the TikTok asset X China would be worth, ri…”
Laffont: US TikTok time spent matches Facebook and Instagram combined
“So we get about a hundred million DAUs in the US, but the time spent on the platform is the equivalent of Facebook plus Instagram.”
Khanna: 60% of TikTok investors are already U.S. investors
“My understanding is 60% of the investors already are U.S. Investors.”
Khanna plans to work with Trump and Waltz to keep TikTok operational
“I will work with him and Mike Waltz, I know very well. We were co-chairs of the India caucus together in Congress. I will work with him in a bipartisan way to figure out how do we have this app operational.”
Swalwell: More people watched Biden's SOTU on TikTok than anywhere else
“More people watch president Biden's state of the union address on tick tock than anywhere else.”
Calacanis: 40% of U.S. adults aged 18–29 get news from TikTok
“Four in 10 U.S. Adults aged 18 to 29 are now regularly getting their news from TikTok.”
Calacanis: TikTok's black-box AI algorithm is more pernicious than earlier gamified social media
“So you had the gamification of Twitter and Facebook, which was likes. Retweets, follower count, Instagram, and then now it's transitioned into something even more pernicious, which is some black box on, in TikTok knows this is going to maximize the dopamine hi…”
Haidt: TikTok, YouTube Shorts, and Reels are uniquely horrible
“TikTok and then YouTube shorts are the ones copying it you know, Instagram reels. They're uniquely horrible.”
Chamath: TikTok without its algorithm is no better than Shorts or Reels
“In the absence of that algorithm, which I think is just incredible, as somebody who was a voracious user of that app until I deleted it, I don't think the product is much of anything. It's probably no better or no worse than shorts or reels or some of these ot…”
Friedberg: China will not force TikTok to shut down
“I don't agree that the Chinese government will shut it down.”
Friedberg: TikTok saw post-Oct 7 surge in pro-Hamas vs pro-Israel videos
“After October seventh, that there was a significant surge in pro Hamas videos relative to Israel support video.”
Sacks: US is within its rights to force TikTok divestment
“Nonetheless, I do agree that for data collection reasons and reciprocity reasons, I think it's, like I said, we're within our rights to require the divestment of TikTok.”
Luckey: Ban TikTok based on strict trade reciprocity, not culture wars
“Practically speaking, you should not make this a culture war issue. Don't talk about how it's ruining our youth ideals. Just say strictly on a trade basis. Yes. We cannot allow them to sell this thing to us if we can't sell the same thing to them.”
Sacks: Auditing TikTok's code and moving US data centers is technically possible
“And if you truly can't move the servers to the United States and vet the code base, I feel like you could, I think you could have an acquirer figure it out, you know, vet the code base, move the data centers, make sure there's no back doors. I think it's not i…”