The Exchanges

Q by the local community, and these cameras are installed by a local community. The communities I've lived in have had them. So let's answer these two questions. Number one, how does a community wind up having flock cameras installed? What's that decision making process like typically? And then we'll get into very granularly what you're recording, for how long, who has access, the audit logs, and then what's not recorded?

A Yep. No, that's a, it's a great question. So, you know, one of the reasons, uh, Jason, we struggled so much to raise money as a business is because it is traditionally, and was for Flock, very hard to get contracts done with local government. You know, the last company to go public that serviced local government It was over 20 years ago. Um, this is a really hard space because city councils have the final decision. And so every two weeks a city council meets and they're, you know, the city manager's direct reports, be it a police chief or fire chief, uh, public works presents ideas, presents, uh, concepts they would like to get approval for. And Flock is on that list. And so I think last year we went, we went to something close to 10,000 city council meetings as a business. I have a huge team whose entire job is just going to city council meetings explaining what Flock does and what Flock doesn't do. Um, and, and it's just a, it's just the cost of doing business with local government. Um, so it's really straightforward. Um, and I was actually talking to the chief, our first ever police chief down in Jersey Village, Texas. I was talking to him a couple of weeks ago. And like that video, that council vote six years ago is still public record.

AI assessment note: “city councils have the final decision. And so every two weeks a city council meets”

Q Are there communities that are using other systems that are not Flock and recording every single person in and out? Because when I go in and out of private communities once in a while, I see this four or five cameras. I know I'm on camera. So aren't people already doing full video in their communities, not using Flock?

A Yeah, no, Jason, you're spot on. I mean, we don't do facial recognition. We don't capture video. Um, we don't look inside the car. Um, we don't even allow in our system to search for people, um, for our licensing cameras. And that's in direct conflict with some of our biggest competitors who do all of the things I just mentioned. And unfortunately, Well, fortunately, we've been very successful. And as kind of the industry leader, the spotlight's on us. And that's okay, because my hope is the changes we're making, the changes we'll continue to make will force the rest of the industry to follow suit. And I hope counselors ask questions of the systems they have if it's not Flock. And maybe they'll switch to Flock if they want a privacy first solution.

AI assessment note: “Jason, you're spot on... in direct conflict with some of our biggest competitors”

Q Yeah, it's a process to even identify the crime. So what you're saying is now would 30 days of the 10% remaining that, you know, which is ballparking here, But that last 10%, how many of those out of 10 would be resolved with 30 days of data?

A We think the majority. And look, we're not gonna lose, we're not gonna, we're not gonna tell cities how to run themselves, and to be clear, you know, there's states like New Jersey where state law is five years, and so every customer holds it for five years. In the state of California, there's a max retention. In the state of Washington, you know, most states have now adopted regulation, and they set a maximum limit But I think for me, Jason, what's important more than my just default is making sure city councilors and mayors are educated that they have control. They can make this choice and they should actually go spend time with their police chief and figure out what does he or she think is the best for that community. And I think, look, there's some communities who are going to push for two days or three days, and I think that's, that's so much better than nothing, because that Amber Alert and that Silver Alert, which are the things we all lose sleep over, they're still going to get solved too. So it's just a balance.

AI assessment note: “We think the majority.”

Q of them, but I don't think you want them as customers anyway, cuz it's gonna blow back on you. San Francisco famously with these ALPRs, automated license plate something, automated license plate reader. Yeah. So the ALPRs, you said earlier, You're also keeping if there were dents in the car or the color of the car or like, ah, the, the make and model of the car. Is that right?

A Yeah. So it's pretty, it's pretty cool technology and pretty effective because if you think about what happens on a nine one one call, most people don't instinctively look at the license plate and remember it. They see the thing that was unique about the car. Oh, it had, it had, uh, damage on the right side. I remember so vividly we had this homicide case near me in Atlanta And all the person could remember was that the back right tire was missing a hubcap. And so the detectives, they would go in and say, okay, show me all the cars in this 15 minute window that did not have a back right hubcap. And that's the beginning of an investigation, not the end of an investigation. That's just the way to get started. And that's all they had. And because of that great detective, he's like, he's, I've got to know him pretty well because he's like, he's very good at his job. He worked his butt off and found the, found the person. Um, but that was the start. And so, yeah, so you think it was like San Francisco. And I, I love, I saw a tweet, uh, the other day, uh, which was, you know, the flock effect. And it's like, crime is down. Stolen vehicles is down. And look, we, we, we are one small part of a very big transformation that's happened in that city, including stronger elected officials, stronger enforcement of the law, a strong police chief, a strong DA, a community that demands to be saf…

AI assessment note: “Yeah. So it's pretty, it's pretty cool technology and pretty effective”

Q that levels the playing field. And I think that's what CEOs have to do right now in this media saturated, you know, a story can just go viral so fast and you gotta just get ahead of it and anticipate these things and own them and just be frank about it. Tucker Carlson demolished you last week. Have you, have you reached out to Tucker to go on his pod?

A No, I don't, you know, I don't know if, if that's something that's in my, my deck of cards, but, uh, no, I appreciate it. I, I like that. Uh, you know, I do like t-shirts, I guess is what I'd say. Uh, I wear t-shirts. I gotta, I put a polo on for you. I thought a collar would be appropriate, but no, I wear a polo too in the hot awesome summer. Yeah, you look, you look great. Yeah, you look great. But no, I think, look, we, we wanna, we were on the Today Show this morning. We're on Good Morning America. We wanna go to places where the community listens and we wanna have meaningful conversations. And, uh, yeah, we're not done. We got a, we had a long road ahead of us. And I think, you know, we didn't get to drones. Oh, yeah.

AI assessment note: “No, I don't, you know, I don't know if, if that's”

Q What's the audit trail here? If there's a dirty cop, as described, who's into Tony Soprano for a hundred dimes for his betting on NFL games, and he wants to give the mob or somebody like a bunch of license plate data from Flock, what's to stop the dirty cop? What's to stop This and defaults matter, but also like, what's the largest window people can use today on Flock?

A Let's, let's, let's tell the abuse thing, because I think that's something that, you know, I was called naive. I, I would say maybe optimistic. You know, I grew up in Atlanta. I trusted the police. I've always trusted the Atlanta Police Department. And, you know, over the last year, I've spent a lot of time talking to people who don't like Flock. And I finally got to the bottom of it. So I was like, why do you, why do you hate this company so much? We sell a camera. Um, and I realized this woman was like, Garrett, I don't trust the police at all. And I was like, ah, that that's the root issue. And I was like, but why? And she was like, they lie, they cheat, they steal. I don't trust any of them. And I'm like, okay, Man, what if you're, what if you're right and I'm wrong? Um, and so.

AI assessment note: “Let's, let's, let's tell the abuse thing, because I think that's something”