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Jul 2, 2021 · 10m · allin

Leaked tapes: Sacks vs. Jason origins | All-In After Party on Callin

Jason Calacanis · 3m spoken David Sacks · 3m spoken Henry Belcaster · 19s spoken
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This Callin After Party live stream captures host Jason Calacanis, co-host David Sacks, and editors Henry Belcaster and Dylan engaging in humorous, behind-the-scenes debates over All-In Podcast moderation rules, producer hierarchy, and personal rivalries.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 87% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

The hosts as informed peer 2.8 Guest teaching 1.8 Guest disagreement 4.3 The hosts pushing back 6.5
05100:0010:000:00–3:03 · The hosts as informed peer 2/10 Callin Room Opening & Initial Reactions to All-In Episode David Sacks and Jason Calacanis bicker over podcast moderation and Callin app technical glitches. The guests remain largely passive while the two hosts trade lighthearted insults about monologue lengths and app crashes.3:03–5:41 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Callin Room Crew Interjects and Muting Dylan Dylan challenges Jason on why Chamath gets free rein to talk while Sacks is interrupted, leading Jason to order Dylan onto mute. Sacks demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting his six-month prediction regarding Eric Adams winning the NYC mayoral race on public safety issues.5:41–8:26 · The hosts as informed peer 2/10 Reconstructing Cuts: The Role of Editors Henry & Dylan When Dylan attempts to raise a topic on clip censorship, Jason aggressively cuts him off and threatens to end the stream if the guests do not mute. Dylan combats Jason's dominance by mocking his height and weight and offering a boxing match.8:26–10:00 · The hosts as informed peer 3/10 The 'Wack Pack' Designation and Negotiating an Interruption Clock Jason reasserts hierarchy by branding the crew editors as the show's 'wack pack' who should stick to editing. Sacks and Jason then negotiate setting a strict timer for how long Sacks can talk before being interrupted.0:00–3:03 · Guest teaching 1/10 Callin Room Opening & Initial Reactions to All-In Episode David Sacks and Jason Calacanis bicker over podcast moderation and Callin app technical glitches. The guests remain largely passive while the two hosts trade lighthearted insults about monologue lengths and app crashes.3:03–5:41 · Guest teaching 3/10 Callin Room Crew Interjects and Muting Dylan Dylan challenges Jason on why Chamath gets free rein to talk while Sacks is interrupted, leading Jason to order Dylan onto mute. Sacks demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting his six-month prediction regarding Eric Adams winning the NYC mayoral race on public safety issues.5:41–8:26 · Guest teaching 2/10 Reconstructing Cuts: The Role of Editors Henry & Dylan When Dylan attempts to raise a topic on clip censorship, Jason aggressively cuts him off and threatens to end the stream if the guests do not mute. Dylan combats Jason's dominance by mocking his height and weight and offering a boxing match.8:26–10:00 · Guest teaching 1/10 The 'Wack Pack' Designation and Negotiating an Interruption Clock Jason reasserts hierarchy by branding the crew editors as the show's 'wack pack' who should stick to editing. Sacks and Jason then negotiate setting a strict timer for how long Sacks can talk before being interrupted.0:00–3:03 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Callin Room Opening & Initial Reactions to All-In Episode David Sacks and Jason Calacanis bicker over podcast moderation and Callin app technical glitches. The guests remain largely passive while the two hosts trade lighthearted insults about monologue lengths and app crashes.3:03–5:41 · Guest disagreement 6/10 Callin Room Crew Interjects and Muting Dylan Dylan challenges Jason on why Chamath gets free rein to talk while Sacks is interrupted, leading Jason to order Dylan onto mute. Sacks demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting his six-month prediction regarding Eric Adams winning the NYC mayoral race on public safety issues.5:41–8:26 · Guest disagreement 7/10 Reconstructing Cuts: The Role of Editors Henry & Dylan When Dylan attempts to raise a topic on clip censorship, Jason aggressively cuts him off and threatens to end the stream if the guests do not mute. Dylan combats Jason's dominance by mocking his height and weight and offering a boxing match.8:26–10:00 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The 'Wack Pack' Designation and Negotiating an Interruption Clock Jason reasserts hierarchy by branding the crew editors as the show's 'wack pack' who should stick to editing. Sacks and Jason then negotiate setting a strict timer for how long Sacks can talk before being interrupted.0:00–3:03 · The hosts pushing back 5/10 Callin Room Opening & Initial Reactions to All-In Episode David Sacks and Jason Calacanis bicker over podcast moderation and Callin app technical glitches. The guests remain largely passive while the two hosts trade lighthearted insults about monologue lengths and app crashes.3:03–5:41 · The hosts pushing back 7/10 Callin Room Crew Interjects and Muting Dylan Dylan challenges Jason on why Chamath gets free rein to talk while Sacks is interrupted, leading Jason to order Dylan onto mute. Sacks demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting his six-month prediction regarding Eric Adams winning the NYC mayoral race on public safety issues.5:41–8:26 · The hosts pushing back 8/10 Reconstructing Cuts: The Role of Editors Henry & Dylan When Dylan attempts to raise a topic on clip censorship, Jason aggressively cuts him off and threatens to end the stream if the guests do not mute. Dylan combats Jason's dominance by mocking his height and weight and offering a boxing match.8:26–10:00 · The hosts pushing back 6/10 The 'Wack Pack' Designation and Negotiating an Interruption Clock Jason reasserts hierarchy by branding the crew editors as the show's 'wack pack' who should stick to editing. Sacks and Jason then negotiate setting a strict timer for how long Sacks can talk before being interrupted.

speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · the hosts 84.2% · guest 15.8%0:00 · the hosts 84.2% · guest 15.8%3:00 · the hosts 92.3% · guest 7.7%3:00 · the hosts 92.3% · guest 7.7%6:00 · the hosts 79.6% · guest 20.4%6:00 · the hosts 79.6% · guest 20.4%9:00 · the hosts 99.9% · guest 0.1%9:00 · the hosts 99.9% · guest 0.1%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 7:58 Dylan challenges Jason to a boxing match

Dylan refuses to be silenced regarding clip censorship, escalating the confrontation by asking for Jason's height and weight and proposing a boxing match.

 Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 7:53 Jason shuts down Dylan and threatens to leave

Jason forcefully shuts down Dylan's attempt to interject, telling him nobody cares about his opinion and threatening to leave the show if he does not mute himself.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 3:34 Dylan calls out Jason's biased moderation

Dylan reframes the moderation debate by pointing out that Jason allows Chamath to ramble endlessly while cutting off Sacks's substantive arguments.

 The host holds their own ▶ 4:36 Sacks highlights his accurate political prediction

Sacks asserts his subject-matter knowledge by noting he predicted for six months that Eric Adams and public safety would be the top political issue, demanding credit for his analysis.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe hosts as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe hosts pushing backWhy
Callin Room Opening & Initial Reactions to All-In Episode 2125 David Sacks and Jason Calacanis bicker over podcast moderation and Callin app technical glitches. The guests remain largely passive while the two hosts trade lighthearted insults about monologue lengths and app crashes.
Callin Room Crew Interjects and Muting Dylan 4367 Dylan challenges Jason on why Chamath gets free rein to talk while Sacks is interrupted, leading Jason to order Dylan onto mute. Sacks demonstrates domain expertise by highlighting his six-month prediction regarding Eric Adams winning the NYC mayoral race on public safety issues.
Reconstructing Cuts: The Role of Editors Henry & Dylan 2278 When Dylan attempts to raise a topic on clip censorship, Jason aggressively cuts him off and threatens to end the stream if the guests do not mute. Dylan combats Jason's dominance by mocking his height and weight and offering a boxing match.
The 'Wack Pack' Designation and Negotiating an Interruption Clock 3126 Jason reasserts hierarchy by branding the crew editors as the show's 'wack pack' who should stick to editing. Sacks and Jason then negotiate setting a strict timer for how long Sacks can talk before being interrupted.

Statements from this episode (7)

Opinion
David Sacks criticizes Jason Calacanis for uneven moderation and constant interruptions
“I was super dissatisfied with Jason's performance as moderator with that last episode. He's back to his old ways of constant annoying interruptions, but it's not done in an even-handed way.”
David Sacks Jul 2, 2021 ▶ 0:23
Opinion
David Sacks claims co-hosts are the stars and Jason Calacanis merely moderates
“We're the stars of the podcast, you're just the moderator.”
David Sacks Jul 2, 2021 ▶ 1:57
Disclosure
David Sacks announces the creation of his new podcasting app Callin
“I started a whole podcasting app. It's called call it.”
David Sacks Jul 2, 2021 ▶ 2:16
Disclosure
Jason Calacanis claims he interrupts when co-hosts are boring or for jokes
“I'm, I am playing the role of the audience. When I interrupt you, it's because you're being fabulously boring, or there's an opportunity to make a joke.”
Jason Calacanis Jul 2, 2021 ▶ 2:52
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jason Calacanis claims Chamath reduced his speaking time due to stats account
“My theory is the all-in stats account, Is now resulting, it's gotten inside Chamath's head that he's a ball hog, and now he's just backed off 20% every episode”
Jason Calacanis Jul 2, 2021 ▶ 3:45
Assertion Contradicted
David Sacks claims he uniquely predicted Eric Adams' NYC mayoral victory
“The fact that Eric Adams won, you could not have predicted that. Nobody else in the pod would have predicted it. I predicted it because for six months I've been saying that's the number one political issue in America.”
David Sacks Jul 2, 2021 ▶ 4:42
Disclosure
Jason Calacanis invested in Callin after being blocked from investing in Clubhouse
“I'm a minor investor, but I'm happy to be alone for the ride, and I will promote the shit out of this app once it's out there since Clubhouse blocked me from investing.”
Jason Calacanis Jul 2, 2021 ▶ 7:27
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