Jul 29, 2022 · 1h 27m · allin
E89: GDP growth negative in Q2, $SHOP layoffs, Alzheimer's fraud, Ginkgo acquires Zymergen & more
David Friedberg · 24m spoken Chamath Palihapitiya · 19m spoken David Sacks · 18m spoken Jason Calacanis · 16m spoken
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In Episode 89 of the All-In Podcast, the co-hosts analyze pressing macroeconomic indicators, including negative Q2 GDP growth and tech sector layoffs, while critiquing institutional failures across scientific research, government policy, and political campaign strategies.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 99.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 7.1 Guest teaching 5.8 Guest disagreement 4.6 The hosts pushing back 4.8
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:25:22 Sacks mocks Calacanis's Bezos campaign hypothesis
Sacks aggressively shuts down Calacanis's speculative premise, telling him to stop being a clown and calling the idea of a Bezos presidential run stupid.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 1:19:37 Sacks refuses Calacanis's 'both sides' political framingSacks firmly refuses Calacanis's attempt to normalize Democratic funding of far-right candidates as routine partisan tactics, highlighting the hypocrisy of calling MAGA an existential threat while funding them.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 47:07 Friedberg proves EV subsidies are market-distortingFriedberg schools Calacanis on economic efficiency by breaking down the math of 34.6 kWh per 100 miles costing $3.50 versus $15 in gas, demonstrating that consumer demand exists naturally without government intervention.
The host holds their own ▶ 1:14:14 Friedberg details the evolution of synthetic biologyFriedberg demonstrates masterclass domain knowledge by detailing how Genentech synthesized insulin in 1978 to replace pig parts, building a $350 billion industry while contextualizing recent synthetic bio missteps.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Q2 GDP Shrinkage, Recession Debates, and Fed Policy | 7 | 5 | 4 | 4 | Chamath and Sacks break down the GDP print, statistics, and Fed monetary policy. Chamath corrects Sacks on the exact timeline of quantitative easing, while Calacanis asks probing questions about Fed reaction times and GDP stimulus drivers. | |
| E-Commerce Mean Reversion, Shopify Layoffs, and Remote Work Productivity | 6 | 4 | 4 | 5 | The panel discusses e-commerce mean reversion, Shopify's layoffs, and remote work productivity challenges. Friedberg lightheartedly mocks Calacanis's internal newsletter management methods, while Chamath highlights mean reversion in tech stocks. | |
| The Inflation Reduction Act, Climate Subsidies, and Government Overspending | 8 | 7 | 6 | 6 | Sacks critiques the Inflation Reduction Act as misnamed pork spending, while Calacanis defends EV subsidies. Friedberg shuts down Calacanis's pro-subsidy stance with direct energy cost calculations, proving EVs are already economically superior without government handouts. | |
| Uncovering Alzheimer's Research Fraud and Institutional Failure | 8 | 7 | 3 | 3 | Friedberg educates the group on the fraudulent 2006 amyloid beta paper that misdirected billions of dollars in Alzheimer's research grants. Calacanis asks about scientific safeguards and replication mechanisms. | |
| SSRI Antidepressant Research Challenges and Peer Review Flaws | 8 | 7 | 3 | 3 | Friedberg outlines a systematic review showing lack of evidence for SSRI serotonin mechanisms, while Chamath explains how institutional incest and flawed peer-review systems suppress dissenting scientific research. | |
| Ginkgo Acquires Zymergen and Synthetic Biology Realities | 9 | 7 | 2 | 2 | Friedberg delivers an extensive breakdown of synthetic biology history, contrasting early pioneer failures with Zymergen's acquisition by Ginkgo. He demonstrates deep domain mastery explaining how bio-manufacturing scales in reality vs story-driven venture narratives. | |
| Democratic Primary Strategy of Funding Far-Right Candidates | 6 | 5 | 7 | 8 | Sacks criticizes Democrats for funding far-right primary candidates while claiming democracy is under threat. When Calacanis tries to dismiss it as standard 'both sides' political gamesmanship, Sacks aggressively pushes back against the false equivalence. | |
| 2024 Presidential Election Speculation and the Bezos Hypothetical | 5 | 4 | 8 | 7 | Calacanis floats a hypothetical presidential run by Jeff Bezos, which Sacks vehemently dismisses as absurd, calling Calacanis a clown for taking the speculation seriously. |
Statements from this episode (29)
Calacanis: US GDP fell 0.9% in Q2 2022
“GDP fell by .9% in Q two, marking two straight quarters of negative growth.”
Sacks blames Powell and Biden for inflation-driven 2022 recession
“The cause of this recession is inflation. If you look at the economy's growth on in nominal terms, it grew at seven, Point something percent, but because inflation was at nine percent, you have to subtract them in real terms, the economy is shrinking. And who …”
Chamath: Lowering CPI above 4.5% historically required Fed rate above 4.5%
“We've never in the history of America ever had CPI print above four and a half or five percent without inflation being brought down by having fed funds not also be greater than four and a half or five percent.”
Sacks: Excessive Fed tightening will cause a serious recession
“The reality is we do not want Powell tightening more than he should or more than is necessary to solve inflation because it will cause a serious recession.”
Calacanis: Shopify laid off 10% of workforce, around 1,000 people
“Shopify just laid off 10% of its workforce, about a thousand people on Tuesday.”
Friedberg: 36% of patients used telehealth in 2021, up 420% from 2019
“36% of patients used a telehealth service in twenty-twenty-one. 420% increase over 2019.”
Friedberg: Amazon is cancelling plans for 15 U.S. warehouses
“Now they're realizing the demand is not going to be there. And they're cutting back on 15 warehouses around the country and not going to build them.”
Sacks: Remote work eases hiring but weakens management, scaling, and culture
“I think where work from home is beneficial is on the hiring side, right? It's so much easier to hire for a job when your potential pool is anyone in the world. You're not just geographically limited to the city in which your office is. So that was the temptati…”
Sacks: 3.25M fewer Americans working than before the COVID-19 pandemic
“So the chamber of commerce says that 3.25 million fewer Americans are working today than they were in February of, 20, 20.”
Chamath: Fossil fuels remain a necessary bridge fuel for a long time
“We are dependent on fossil fuels for a very long time. It is a necessary bridge fuel.”
Friedberg: EV tax credits unnecessarily distort a well-functioning market
“The EV tax credit is just giving away money to EV car manufacturers. There's already enough demand. The prices are low enough. There's enough consumer interest. There's enough consumer intent. I don't think you need to put this money out there. It distorts a m…”
Chamath: Electric vehicle adoption has crossed the 5% mass-market tipping point
“Typically for a new good or service, the tipping point is around five percent mass market adoption from when it goes from early adopters to the mass market. And EVs just crossed five percent.”
Friedberg: Market evolution will resolve all major drivers of climate change
“It is a matter of time and a matter of natural evolution that we will resolve all of the factors that are driving climate change from animal agriculture to transportation systems to energy systems.”
Friedberg: EVs and solar power are already cheaper than traditional energy
“Absolutely. They're cheaper.”
Sacks: Inflation Reduction Act raises $739B in taxes during recession
“First of all, it's raising taxes by seven hundred thirty nine billion at a time when we're entering a recession.”
Sacks: US entering era of austerity lasting beyond current presidency
“I think we're probably entering an era, an overall era of austerity that lasts more than just this year or even this presidency, and I think we'll look back at all this wasteful spending, this last 10, 20 trillion of spending as money we didn't need to spend t…”
Friedberg: NIH funded $287M in amyloid beta research in 2021
“Last year alone, the NIH funded two hundred and eighty seven million dollars in research into amyloid beta.”
Friedberg: Scientists face structural disincentives to retest published research
“It is to no one's incentive to go out and try and retest something that someone's already published on, even though that's what you're supposed to do in science. There's no motivation. There's no dollars to do this. It's a disincentive to your career. It's a d…”
Friedberg: 37 million Americans take SSRI antidepressant drugs
“Thirty-seven million Americans are on these drugs.”
Chamath: Peer review systems are entirely responsible for scientific failures
“The actual problem is peer is peer review systems entirely, in my opinion.”
Chamath: NIH annual budget for Alzheimer's and dementia is $1.9B
“What I'm saying is the NIH budget per year for Alzheimer's and dementia is 1.9 billion.”
Friedberg: Zymergen sold for $300M after raising $1.5B
“Zymergen being acquired for three hundred million dollars comes off of them having raised a total of one and a half billion dollars of capital from many investors, including SoftBank and in their IPO, since they were founded in 2013.”
Friedberg: Biologics drug industry generates $350B in annual revenue
“That biologics drug industry is a three hundred and fifty billion dollar annual revenue industry today, and so it works.”
Friedberg: Synthetic biology will eventually produce all materials, foods, and fuels
“There isn't a single material or food or a fuel or product that we ultimately won't be able to make using synthetic biology.”
Sacks: November 2022 midterms will likely be a Republican wave election
“This year, I think this November is likely to be a wave election. And when you get a wave election, the specific candidate matters less, and party matters more. So you could get some of these crazy swept into office. So I think it's a cynical and counterproduc…”
Sacks: Politicians are only as honest as the media forces them to be
“That's why politicians are going to be as dishonest as the media allows them to be. And the media is not holding them accountable.”
Calacanis: Donald Trump will lock up the 2024 GOP nomination if he runs
“If Trump wins the nomination, which I think he will, how are you going to be able to, when we're on the show a year from now and Trump has the nomination, Or, you know, 18 months from now, whenever it is, that he locks it up, and he will lock it up if he runs.”