Sep 10, 2022 · 1h 15m · allin
E95: Winter is Coming, Europe's energy crisis, Kim Kardashian's new PE firm & more
Jason Calacanis · 18m spoken David Sacks · 18m spoken David Friedberg · 15m spoken Chamath Palihapitiya · 13m spoken
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In Episode 95 of the All-In Podcast, the hosts examine Europe's escalating winter energy crisis, critique Western geopolitical strategy in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and analyze emerging business models in creator-led CPG brands and healthcare. Additionally, they share personal anecdotes, honor legacy media milestones, and engage in unscripted banter regarding podcast monetization and audience interaction.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 99.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 5.1 Guest teaching 3.1 Guest disagreement 3.4 The hosts pushing back 3.2
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 45:25 Friedberg challenging Calacanis on US military invasions
Friedberg forcefully interrupts Calacanis's assertion that democracies do not invade other countries, bringing up US interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 15:55 Calacanis confronting Sacks over constant interruptionsCalacanis aggressively pushes back on Sacks interrupting him, calling him out directly before demanding credit for giving Sacks a compliment.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 17:44 Friedberg educating on energy baseload vs variable demandFriedberg breaks down the precise mathematical relationship between temperature deviations from 65 Fahrenheit and linear energy consumption spikes across European households.
The host holds their own ▶ 26:38 Sacks citing Goldman Sachs energy report figuresSacks demonstrates expertise by referencing specific benchmark data showing European natural gas spiking from 20 to over 200 euros per megawatt hour.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sacks's Hat and Merch Influence | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Lighthearted introductory banter focused on David Sacks's viral Moncler hat and Kevin Hart's unscripted roast of the hosts at Chamath's birthday party. | |
| All-In Podcast Animated Intro Sequence | 4 | 2 | 3 | 3 | Discussion regarding Code Conference legacy, media profile requests from various outlets, and Sacks criticizing mainstream reporting on his political contributions. | |
| Tributes to Queen Elizabeth II | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Respectful discussion paying tribute to Queen Elizabeth II following her death, focusing on her diligence, stoicism, and 70 years of public service. | |
| Intro Banter on Winter Energy Crisis Predictions | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | Friedberg delivers a detailed breakdown of Europe's energy dependencies, breaking down baseload versus variable heating/cooling demand and resulting economic strain. | |
| Policy Failures Greta Thunberg and German Energy Dependency | 6 | 4 | 4 | 3 | Chamath argues that European leaders abandoned nuclear energy due to climate activism, leaving Germany vulnerable to Russian natural gas leverage. | |
| Goldman Sachs Energy Report and US Strategic Escalation | 7 | 4 | 6 | 6 | Sacks cites a Goldman Sachs report on European gas prices and lists specific military aid actions by the US to argue that Western nations are in an active proxy war with Russia. | |
| Negotiating the Endgame and Potential Peace Settlement Terms | 6 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Friedberg outlines potential negotiated peace terms, predicting that economic devastation and winter heating shortfalls will force European leaders into compromise. | |
| Historical Warnings Trade-offs and Domestic Energy Achilles Heel | 5 | 3 | 2 | 2 | Chamath highlights how voters prioritize domestic comfort over foreign policy morals once energy costs directly impact daily life. | |
| NATO Expansion History and the Root Causes of Conflict | 7 | 5 | 6 | 6 | Sacks references former Defense Secretary William Perry to detail the history of NATO expansion eastward and criticizes the foreign policy establishment for failing to negotiate. | |
| Debate on Neoliberal Interdependence Theory and China Policy | 7 | 5 | 7 | 7 | A heated debate emerges on neoliberal economic interdependence theory, with Friedberg challenging Calacanis over US military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. | |
| Kim Kardashian's SKKY Partners and Influencer Driven CPG | 7 | 4 | 3 | 3 | Friedberg predicts traditional CPG brands will be replaced by content creators who command direct consumer distribution at zero customer acquisition cost. | |
| Pediatric ADHD Med Overprescription and Digital Therapeutics | 6 | 3 | 2 | 2 | Chamath discusses overprescription of pediatric ADHD medications and introduces Akili, an FDA-approved video game prescription therapeutic. | |
| Direct-To-Consumer Marketing and Supergut Plug | 5 | 2 | 2 | 2 | Friedberg discusses Supergut and rising direct-to-consumer acquisition costs on major digital ad platforms. | |
| Planning an After-Hours Call-In AMA | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Closing banter planning an after-hours call-in AMA session and wrapping up the podcast episode. |
Statements from this episode (28)
Calacanis claims Kara Swisher left NYT over pushback on podcast guests
“She left the New York Times specifically because they were, you know, giving her a hard time about certain guests or certain conversations.”
Calacanis: All-In Podcast is leaving $7.5M in uncollected annual ad revenue
“I got approached by a couple of by two different people who want to represent the pod. They say there's seven and a half million dollars in advertising we're leaving on the table, by the way, a 150 a week.”
Palihapitiya predicts Jamaica and Australia will eventually become republics
“Jamaica wants to become a republic. Australia wants to become a republic. They'll prosecute that in due time.”
Palihapitiya: Queen Elizabeth II maintained rare complete political neutrality
“Who lived to an incredible age, who saw incredible things and who dedicated her entire life to the public service and lived it totally neutrally, which in today's world, nobody else does. Everybody else takes the point of view. Everybody else tries to basicall…”
Calacanis: Russian gas shipments to Germany have fallen 89% year-over-year
“Russian gas shipments which Germany is particularly dependent on, have fallen 89% since last year”
Calacanis: Half of France's 56 nuclear plants are offline from corrosion
“France's 56 nuclear power plants are running at half strength because of shutdowns over corrosion problems”
Friedberg: British pound falls to its lowest exchange rate since 1985
“The British pound is trading at its lowest level since 1985”
Palihapitiya: Donald Trump was right about German reliance on Russian gas
“And in hindsight, and I'm saying this as a Democrat, he was right about the German reliance on Russian gas and the European reliance on gas.”
Palihapitiya: Europe faces at least a recession from its energy crisis
“The entire continent of Europe is probably on the precipice of and the minimum of recession. But frankly, there's a lot of scenarios where it could be meaningfully worse.”
Palihapitiya predicts Germany will be the first to capitulate on Russian energy
“Germany will probably be the first to capitulate. But it'll be a combination of the United States and Europe who negotiate some kind of a settlement.”
Sacks: European natural gas prices hit 10 times the ten-year average
“The price of natural gas in Europe It used to just be 20 euros per megawatt hour. It's now above 200 per megawatt hour. So we're at 10 times the ten-year average in the market, and winter isn't even here.”
Sacks claims Boris Johnson advised Ukraine against early peace deal with Russia
“Boris Johnson went to Ukraine and said, no deal, do not take the deal. We need to weaken Putin and Russia, not compromise with them.”
Friedberg predicts lack of energy resolution will trigger European civil unrest
“If there isn't a resolution in the next few weeks, there will be civil unrest. There will be a really cataclysmic concerning economic effect.”
Friedberg predicts peace deal trading Ukrainian territory for Russian gas
“And so my guess is huge amount of money from the West and EU going into Ukraine. Ukraine agrees to let Putin keep some regions, some assets, Putin agrees to remove himself from certain regions and give up certain assets. Sanctions are partially lifted, but the…”
Palihapitiya: Moral foreign policy collapses when domestic comfort is threatened
“When you're in a position of comfort, you can focus on forward and out looking moral attributes and ethical perspectives that matter. But the minute that you are affected at home, where you cannot take care of your children or heat your house, all bets are off…”
Sacks: NATO expansion contradicted U.S. assurances given to Mikhail Gorbachev
“This was basically a contradiction of the verbal assurances that James Baker and President George Herbert Walker Bush had given Gorbachev that we would not expand NATO one inch eastward.”
Sacks: U.S. completely refused to negotiate on Russia's pre-war security demands
“The fact of the matter is we never were willing to negotiate at all on those two demands at all.”
Sacks: Biden canceled U.S. energy independence on his first day
“And don't forget, Biden canceled our energy independence the first day he was in office.”
Sacks: U.S. policy of constructive engagement with China was a complete disaster
“With the benefit of hindsight, what we can see, with the benefit of hindsight, what we can see is that our Chinese policy of interdependency, really it was called constructive engagement, was a complete and unmitigated disaster.”
Sacks: Western sanctions against Russia have hurt Europe more than Russia
“The third Contention that was made by advocates of this proxy war is that the sanctions would hurt Russia more than Europe. That has not happened. Europe is already hurting more than Russia. And it's about with winter coming, it's going to hurt even more.”
Friedberg predicts all traditional consumer brands will die within 30 years
“In the next 30 years or so, all traditional brands are gonna die.”
Friedberg: Content creation will replace all traditional advertising and marketing
“In the future, all advertising and marketing gets replaced by content creation and content creation direct to consumers through the social media platforms becomes the mechanism by which people are aware of and buy goods and services.”
Sacks: Consumer businesses only work with low-cost, scalable distribution channels
“B to C only works if you can find a very low cost, scalable distribution channel.”
Friedberg: Distributed content creation is a top investment opportunity this decade
“Distributed content creation, I think represents one of the most profound investing opportunities over the next decade”
Palihapitiya: Overprescription of ADHD amphetamines to children is an epidemic
“An epidemic right now of the over prescription of amphetamines to children who are diagnosed with ADHD.”
Calacanis: Teen antidepressant prescriptions rose 38% between 2015 and 2019
“Express Scripts, a mail order pharmacy recently reported that prescriptions of antidepressants for teenagers rose 38% from 2015 to 29.”
Calacanis predicts pediatric psychiatric drug overprescription will mirror the opioid crisis
“We're going to look at this like the opioid crisis, I guarantee it.”
Friedberg: DTC marketing costs on Facebook and Google have doubled or tripled
“Cause in the last year, the cost of DTC direct to consumer marketing on Facebook and Google. Double, tripled. And a lot of the unit economics are falling apart on D to C businesses because of it you know, costs a lot more to acquire the customer than you make …”