Aug 20, 2022 · 1h 39m · allin
E92: Adam Neumann's second act, a16z's $350M bet, housing policy, Inflation Reduction Act & more
David Friedberg · 26m spoken Chamath Palihapitiya · 25m spoken David Sacks · 19m spoken Jason Calacanis · 17m spoken
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In Episode 92 of the All-In Podcast, guest moderator Dave Friedberg leads co-hosts Jason Calacanis, Chamath Palihapitiya, and David Sacks through analyses of Adam Neumann's venture Flow, housing zoning controversies, and the Inflation Reduction Act. The panel also evaluates shifting global geopolitics, federal tax enforcement expansions, and current political events alongside lighthearted host banter.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 99.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 6.2 Guest teaching 1.6 Guest disagreement 2.9 The hosts pushing back 3.5
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:34:20 Calacanis rejects GOP defense of Trump's misconduct
Calacanis aggressively dismisses right-wing defense of Donald Trump, calling his history a series of grifts and criticizing Republicans for constantly defending him.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 1:34:20 Calacanis refuses Sacks' framing of the Mar-a-Lago FBI raidCalacanis pushes back against Sacks' assertion of DOJ weaponization by pointing out Trump's lengthy history of criminal investigations and fraud trials.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 13:53 Chamath educates the panel on VC fund economics and REIT limitsChamath reframes Adam Neumann's funding by analyzing Andreessen Horowitz's AUM velocity needs and contrasting Flow's valuation ceiling with public REIT benchmarks like Prologis.
The host holds their own ▶ 1:17:08 Sacks exposes budget gimmicks in the Inflation Reduction ActSacks demonstrates deep expertise in fiscal policy by detailing how sunsetting ACA subsidies flips the IRA's projected $305B deficit reduction into a $155B deficit increase.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Opening Banter: Friedberg Takes the Moderator Chair | 2 | 1 | 3 | 2 | The co-hosts engage in informal podcast meta-banter as Friedberg takes over the moderator chair from Calacanis. Calacanis and Chamath trade light jabs about podcast roles and past conflict. | |
| Adam Neumann's Second Act: Flow & a16z's $350M Bet | 8 | 2 | 2 | 3 | Chamath and Sacks deliver an in-depth financial breakdown of Adam Neumann's new company Flow, contrasting real estate REIT metrics (FFO, cap rates) with Andreessen Horowitz's AUM deployment incentives. Chamath articulates how large VC funds seek high velocity of capital deployment. | |
| Atherton NIMBYism, Housing Policy & Zoning Debates | 7 | 2 | 4 | 5 | Sacks defends Atherton single-family zoning while Calacanis attacks local NIMBYism and public hypocrisy. Chamath highlights California's 3.5 million home deficit and explains how school district tax gerrymandering drives suburban housing resistance. | |
| Geopolitics & Global Power Shifts: China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia | 8 | 2 | 3 | 4 | Sacks criticizes US foreign policy for driving Russia and Saudi Arabia into China's orbit using classical geopolitical principles. Chamath offers a counter-framing focused on nation-state commodity monetization and sovereign wealth portfolio diversification. | |
| Inflation Reduction Act: Carbon Tax vs. Clean Energy Subsidies | 7 | 1 | 2 | 3 | Chamath explains why the Inflation Reduction Act effectively replaces a carbon tax by subsidizing clean energy to compete directly on a level playing field with fossil fuels. | |
| CBO Budget Scoring and the IRS Expansion Controversy | 7 | 2 | 2 | 3 | Friedberg outlines the CBO's 10-year deficit scoring for the IRA while Chamath criticizes spending $80B on IRS agents instead of developing modern AI tax auditing software. | |
| Climate Tech VC Influx and Unit Economics | 8 | 2 | 3 | 4 | Friedberg notes how IRA clean fuel tax credits make climate startups instantly profitable, but Chamath warns that startups relying on subsidies for positive contribution margins are DOA. Sacks dissects sunset accounting gimmicks in CBO deficit projections. | |
| Prescription Drug Price Negotiation & Healthcare Innovation | 7 | 2 | 3 | 4 | Sacks argues Medicare drug price negotiation acts as government price-fixing that harms pharma R&D. Chamath points to Civica Rx's non-profit model as a market-driven alternative that produces low-cost insulin. | |
| Podcast Banter, Moderation Meta-Talk, and Chamath's Poker Feud | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | The panel pivots to lighthearted banter about podcast moderation performance and Chamath recounts a comedic feud with poker pro Phil Hellmuth following the sale of his Warriors stake. | |
| Mar-a-Lago FBI Raid Controversy and Political Polarization | 6 | 2 | 5 | 5 | Sacks cites investigative reporting alleging the FBI unit raiding Mar-a-Lago had prior conflicts of interest, prompting Calacanis to forcefully reject carrying water for Trump's legal scandals while advocating for institutional neutrality. |
Statements from this episode (23)
Sacks: Physical world businesses are 10 times harder than software
“And I've kind of learned that doing anything in the physical world with atoms is 10 times harder than doing anything with bits.”
Chamath: Public markets value WeWork as a $3.6B REIT
“Which is that when WeWork ultimately went public, the collective intelligence of the public markets imposed a REIT-based valuation model on WeWork, and it is now a 3.6 billion dollar public company.”
Chamath: Andreessen Horowitz wants to be the Blackstone of technology
“You have to understand the Andreessen business model Andreessen Horowitz business model is to become Blackstone, but for technology.”
Sacks: Low-margin real estate businesses cannot survive unchecked spending
“You can get away with a lack of spending discipline if you're a 90% gross margin business like a Google, but when you're a real estate business who's got real cogs, not having spending discipline is actually a problem.”
Chamath: Mega-funds prioritize AUM volume and deployment over top-tier returns
“Any of these publicly traded investment managers, they live and die by their ability to constantly be raising funds, which implicitly means you have to constantly be writing funds. The returns decay, but that's okay, because now you're feeding, you're, you kno…”
Sacks: Rezoning single-family neighborhoods for multi-family housing is unfair to residents
“So it is unfair to the residents of that neighborhood for a developer to come along and say, hey, I'm going to change the character of this place so I can make money. I'm going to take a bunch of single family lots, turn them into multifamily apartment complex…”
Chamath: California needs 3.5 million extra homes by 2025
“If you look at the data, California needs to build three and a half million extra homes by 2025.”
Friedberg: Saudi Aramco made $48B net profit in a single quarter
“Saudi Aramco reported their earnings. The largest earnings ever for a company Forty-eight billion dollars of net profit in a quarter. That is more profit than Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and Tesla combined in a single quarter.”
Sacks: Biden's early policy pushed Saudi Arabia into China's arms
“Biden's backing away from this now, but in his first year, He declared the Saudis be pariahs, and he did push them into China's arms.”
Sacks: US has no strategic interest in proxy war with Russia
“And I think similarly with Russia, we've basically declared ourselves to be engaged in this proxy war with Russia, which strategically, there's just nothing in it for us.”
Chamath: Inflation Reduction Act killed prospects for a U.S. carbon tax
“I actually think that what this bill did was killed the idea of a carbon tax. I think it makes it completely unimportant, and it'll never see the light of day.”
Chamath: Inflation Reduction Act will achieve 40% of 2030 climate goals
“Because this plan will still get us to about 40% of the way there where we want it to be by 2030, which is still a pretty decent leap forward.”
Chamath: Global net-zero climate goals will not be achieved by 2050
“Nothing's going to get solved by 20 50. Maybe you'll see something done by 2100. Probably not. It'll probably be a 21 50 2200 kind of an objective.”
Chamath: Direct air capture will remain toy projects, not real businesses
“I think carbon markets and carbon trading are not going to be the thing that we thought it was going to be. I think stuff like direct air capture, again, are going to be toy projects off to the side. I don't think that those are... Toads are not, those are not…”
Chamath: IRS will be unable to hire 87,000 new employees
“It'll be impossible for these guys to find 87,000 humans that want to work at the IRS.”
Friedberg: Inflation Reduction Act will drive VC influx into climate tech
“I personally think we are going to see a significant influx of venture capital and support for a lot of these climate tech and, you know, new energy material and manufacturing projects that otherwise may have been held back because the subsidy will kickstart.”
Chamath: Subsidized climate startups lacking core unit profitability are dead on arrival
“If you're not contribution margin positive today, free this bill in climate change, and the bill is the only way that you get there, you're DOA.”
Sacks: Extending ACA subsidies turns Inflation Reduction Act into $155B deficit builder
“If you extend that subsidy three years from now, just that one item alone makes the deficit reduction of this bill goes from three hundred and five billion over the 10 year period. To negative one hundred fifty five billion. So just that one item, if you conti…”
Chamath: New IRS agents will target middle and upper-middle income taxpayers
“When you apply 87,000 people and task them incrementally with doing a job, it's not going to touch these folks that are already audited. It's going to touch the folks that are not audited, and by and large, a much, much larger majority of middle income and upp…”
Friedberg: Medicare drug price negotiation is an excellent IRA provision
“My personal opinion is I don't think that this will have a huge effect. I think this is an excellent part of the bill. I think that the government should have authority to go and negotiate.”
Chamath: Non-profit Civica will supply US insulin for $35 per dose
“They're in the midst right now of completing a massive facility. I think it's in Virginia, where they'll be able to make as much insulin as is needed for the entirety of America for no more than 35 bucks a dose.”
Chamath officially completes the sale of his Golden State Warriors stake
“I finished the fucking transaction to sell the warriors.”
Sacks: FBI unit raiding Mar-a-Lago is same unit that investigated Trump in 2016
“The group, the unit within the FBI that conducted the raid on Mar-a-Lago is the same group that conducted The investigation into Trump back in 2016 that lied to the FISA court that had its members, its leaders, Peter Strzok, were fired for basically wrongdoing…”