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20VC Insight
Tisch: Investors should pay any valuation for generational seed companies
“If you fund a generational company and the outcome is insanely enormous, you should say yes to whatever that number is at the seed stage.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 24:51 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Opinion
Tisch: Second and third-tier venture capital firms suck and are harmful
“I think the second The third tier VCs are uninteresting, and I think the third tier VCs are harmful, but I think the best ex-firms at each stage are good enough to not need to overly rank them. But I think the second and third tier VCs suck.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 1:15:53 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Opinion
Tisch: VC signaling is a fake concept that does not exist
“I don't believe in signaling. I think it's a fake word and I don't think it exists in this market.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 1:18:00 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Opinion
Tisch: Outside the top 25 VCs, investors are commodities or net negatives
“I don't think outside of the top five to 25 VCs, individuals, that VCs can magically impact a company. I think most of those investors join your board at series A or B, and they, those five to 25, whatever the number is, and the rest of the investment Sort of …”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 1:23:47 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: VCs never cause startup success, only failure
“The company's either going to work or not work. And you are not the reason for either of those two things. If anything, you're the reason it's not going to work.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 1:30:36 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: VCs who overpaid deserve no sympathy; valuation is their problem
“The valuation to me is the investor's problem. And I just don't like, I don't believe that my sympathy sits for all the VCs that overpaid on things that they did. Like, everybody could, again, back to this, like, you could have said no. If you thought somethin…”
David Tisch Feb 27, 2023 ▶ 21:46 David Tisch: The 3 Most Important Variables When Raising Your Seed Round | 20VC #983 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Opinion
Tisch: Signaling risk is the single most overstated concept in startup financing
“The signaling risk, I feel like is the single most overstated part of the ecosystem.”
David Tisch Feb 27, 2023 ▶ 37:02 David Tisch: The 3 Most Important Variables When Raising Your Seed Round | 20VC #983 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: A startup CEO's core job is becoming world-class at fundraising
“Telling founders, like, put your head down, build a product. Don't worry about fundraising. It's like distracting and annoying. The CEO specifically, their job is to become great at fundraising, and they need to be, like, view that as a core competency that th…”
David Tisch Feb 27, 2023 ▶ 41:06 David Tisch: The 3 Most Important Variables When Raising Your Seed Round | 20VC #983 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
Tisch: A tier-three VC attempted to personally bankrupt a startup founder
“I saw a VC try to personally bankrupt a founder.”
David Tisch Feb 27, 2023 ▶ 1:03:59 David Tisch: The 3 Most Important Variables When Raising Your Seed Round | 20VC #983 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: VC returns depend on outlier companies, not rigid ownership targets
“Every VC's math works if you fund great companies. And so it's not about this, like, ownership threshold.”
David Tisch May 4, 2021 ▶ 6:21 20VC: David Tisch on Why Ownership in Venture Does Not Matter, His Biggest Investing Misses and Hits and How His Investing Style Changed as a Result & 3 Core Reasons VCs Pass That Do Not Make Sense
20VC Opinion
Tisch: Signaling risk from multi-stage seed investments is an overrated myth
“I think that the myth of sort of you take a seed check from a multi-stage firm, especially in this market, that you are going to struggle to raise your next round if that firm doesn't sort of write the term sheet. I think that's been proven to not be a materia…”
David Tisch May 4, 2021 ▶ 17:13 20VC: David Tisch on Why Ownership in Venture Does Not Matter, His Biggest Investing Misses and Hits and How His Investing Style Changed as a Result & 3 Core Reasons VCs Pass That Do Not Make Sense
20VC Insight
Tisch: VCs cannot deploy 'company building' value at scale across portfolios
“And so the idea that a diverse portfolio is amongst the VC can deploy this value add and company building at scale. I just haven't seen that happen over my 10 years doing this.”
David Tisch Dec 2, 2019 ▶ 13:54 20VC: BoxGroup's David Tisch on Whether Concentrated Investing At Seed Works, Do Founders Really Want Direct Feedback and Is It Good For Them & Why Consumer Social Is Interesting Again
20VC Opinion
Tisch: The market has too many companies, diluting top startup talent
“I think there are too many companies. So I think the idea that every company is going to succeed and every company deserves to be funded through a series C, that's a risk to me. So there's a massive dilution of talent in our industry in that when everybody sta…”
David Tisch Dec 2, 2019 ▶ 20:54 20VC: BoxGroup's David Tisch on Whether Concentrated Investing At Seed Works, Do Founders Really Want Direct Feedback and Is It Good For Them & Why Consumer Social Is Interesting Again
20VC Opinion
Venture capital investors do not add value to startups
“When entrepreneurs in a meeting ask us, you know, what value do we add? My initial response is always, investors don't add value, and that's what we'll promise you.”
David Tisch Jan 11, 2016 ▶ 14:30 20 VC: David Tisch @ Box Group on The Future of Consumer Mobile, Developing Pattern Recognition and FOMO
TBPN Opinion
Tisch: Government blocking Plaid acquisition chilled big tech M&A
“Plaid sold, right? Plaid sold and the government stopped it. And I think that that was you know, to me, a interesting moment in The government getting involved in something that was debatable, and I think it also tells big companies, like, don't waste your tim…”
David Tisch Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 21:06 Building Durable Brands in Venture Capital | David Tisch on TBPN
20VC Insight
Tisch: Small stakes in outlier companies outperform strict ownership targets
“Every VC's math works if you fund great companies. And so it's not about This, like, ownership threshold. If anybody owned one percent of Facebook, one percent of Uber.1% of Coinbase, your math works. Your math works really well, and it scales.”
David Tisch Feb 9, 2024 ▶ 22:53 20VC: Doug Leone, Bill Ackman, Bill Gurley and Orlando Bravo on "Does Price Matter"; When to Pay Up vs When to Stay Disciplined, The Biggest Lessons on Price Discipline from 8 of the World's Best Investors
20VC Insight
Tisch: All VC firms offer the same commoditized product
“I think at the end of the day, for the most part, all VCs offer the same product. We are giving money and we are taking equity. What comes after that is obfuscated in a sales pitch.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 5:42 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: Seed investing cannot be indexed or made low-margin
“I don't think you can index seed, and I don't think you can aggregate seed into a low margin product.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 20:08 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: Pre-Series B investing is art, post-Series B is math
“I think venture is two different jobs. There's the pre-series B job, and there's the post-series B job, and I don't think they have any relation to each other. I think at pre-series B, you are doing more art, and at post-series B, you are doing more math.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 25:27 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Supported
Tisch: Any BoxGroup team member can individually approve an investment
“So we're a team of nine. Everyone on our team can say yes in an individual meeting. We don't need, we don't vote. We don't try to find groupthink.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 38:49 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Disclosure
Tisch: BoxGroup forbids team members from 'throwing grenades' on deals
“We structurally push our group to not allow that. We have vocabulary internally. We say, like, throwing a grenade. You're not allowed to throw a grenade on some deal. It doesn't help.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 43:47 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: Venture power law ensures top incumbent firms stay dominant
“The best firms in venture have the highest probability of being the best firms in the future, because brand matters, the quality of investors at that brand matter, and they're going to see and win better than the challengers are.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 56:38 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: Scaling $1B to $5B is more predictable than $0 to $1B
“The path from zero to one billion Is impossible. The path from one billion to five billion is more predictable, and it's more easy to see at a given moment”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 1:04:41 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: The seed investment market will never become efficient
“I think the space I have conviction that there will never be efficiency in is the seed market. Because starting something is not efficient. Starting something is messy.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 1:37:21 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Contradicted
Tisch: Seed-to-Series A graduation rates hit 90-100% between 2018 and 2022
“And over that 19 or 18 to 22 period, you went to basically a hundred. Hundred percent of companies that raised the seed got an A. Maybe it was 90, 95.”
David Tisch Feb 27, 2023 ▶ 23:28 David Tisch: The 3 Most Important Variables When Raising Your Seed Round | 20VC #983 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: VCs should judge price at the portfolio level, not per deal
“I think it is important to be price aware on a portfolio basis, and I don't think on a deal-by-deal basis, price is a determinant of making a decision. Pretty simple. If you love a company and you want to invest, and the deal is what the deal is, you make a de…”
David Tisch May 4, 2021 ▶ 12:45 20VC: David Tisch on Why Ownership in Venture Does Not Matter, His Biggest Investing Misses and Hits and How His Investing Style Changed as a Result & 3 Core Reasons VCs Pass That Do Not Make Sense
20VC Insight
Tisch: Small checks from large funds yield minimal partner attention
“So if I'm going to take a three million dollar check from you know that you're in the bottom quartile of money allocated from that fund. So assuming that you're going to get this magical attention allocation from the fund is a mistake.”
David Tisch May 4, 2021 ▶ 18:27 20VC: David Tisch on Why Ownership in Venture Does Not Matter, His Biggest Investing Misses and Hits and How His Investing Style Changed as a Result & 3 Core Reasons VCs Pass That Do Not Make Sense
20VC Insight
Tisch: Never pass on a great seed deal due to high valuation
“Don't pass on a deal because it's overpriced. If it's going to be a great company, that's the cheapest it will ever be. So you should probably invest.”
David Tisch May 4, 2021 ▶ 25:24 20VC: David Tisch on Why Ownership in Venture Does Not Matter, His Biggest Investing Misses and Hits and How His Investing Style Changed as a Result & 3 Core Reasons VCs Pass That Do Not Make Sense
20VC Insight
Tisch: Breakout startups expand markets beyond initial size estimates
“If you pass on something and it works and you pass because of market size, they have expanded and created the market that you thought was too small.”
David Tisch May 4, 2021 ▶ 26:50 20VC: David Tisch on Why Ownership in Venture Does Not Matter, His Biggest Investing Misses and Hits and How His Investing Style Changed as a Result & 3 Core Reasons VCs Pass That Do Not Make Sense
20VC Insight
Tisch: Outlier returns solve VC fund economics regardless of entry valuation
“The best companies will make all the math work, no matter what your check size, no matter what your entry point. And obviously that sort of stops at some scale, but if you are an early investor in one of the sort of unique once in a decade, once every five yea…”
David Tisch Dec 2, 2019 ▶ 10:15 20VC: BoxGroup's David Tisch on Whether Concentrated Investing At Seed Works, Do Founders Really Want Direct Feedback and Is It Good For Them & Why Consumer Social Is Interesting Again
20VC Insight
Tisch: Increasing seed ownership in later rounds is usually false hope
“I think building ownership after your first check is probably hard as a seed investor because series A, series B is just so competitive and the idea of increasing ownership in those rounds feels like a false hope most of the time or adverse selection.”
David Tisch Dec 2, 2019 ▶ 11:25 20VC: BoxGroup's David Tisch on Whether Concentrated Investing At Seed Works, Do Founders Really Want Direct Feedback and Is It Good For Them & Why Consumer Social Is Interesting Again
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
Tisch: The internet has no remaining free customer acquisition channels
“There is no free customer acquisition channel, there's no arbitrageable channel on the internet, probably for the first time since the internet was born”
David Tisch Dec 2, 2019 ▶ 22:22 20VC: BoxGroup's David Tisch on Whether Concentrated Investing At Seed Works, Do Founders Really Want Direct Feedback and Is It Good For Them & Why Consumer Social Is Interesting Again
20VC Prediction Not checkable as stated
West Coast tech hubs in NYC risk stifling local giants
“All the big companies from the West Coast have set up product offices here over the past five years, and I think that that might on one hand prevent the emergence of a standalone New York A monster, but it also brings more talent here, and so you've seen what …”
David Tisch Jan 11, 2016 ▶ 6:53 20 VC: David Tisch @ Box Group on The Future of Consumer Mobile, Developing Pattern Recognition and FOMO
20VC Insight
Mobile startups must launch finished, polished products to succeed today
“The barrier, I think, to be successful is you need to be great from the minute somebody gets you, and that could be either this magical utility, could be this magical happiness you bring to a user, or it could be an incredibly polished product with a clear pat…”
David Tisch Jan 11, 2016 ▶ 19:52 20 VC: David Tisch @ Box Group on The Future of Consumer Mobile, Developing Pattern Recognition and FOMO
20VC Prediction Held up
New breakout consumer mobile companies will emerge soon
“And I think you'll see new companies emerge. Is it going to happen this year? Is it going to happen next year? It's going to happen soon. It hasn't happened since Snapchat, right? They're the Snapchat, Tinder are the last big consumer companies to emerge. Thos…”
David Tisch Jan 11, 2016 ▶ 20:26 20 VC: David Tisch @ Box Group on The Future of Consumer Mobile, Developing Pattern Recognition and FOMO
TBPN Opinion
Tisch: A US manufacturing windfall from tariffs is a stretch
“The easy guess is like American manufacturing windfall, but that feels Like a big stretch, like no one's building a factory overnight. I feel like that happens in other parts of the world, not here.”
David Tisch Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 7:27 Building Durable Brands in Venture Capital | David Tisch on TBPN
TBPN Insight
Tisch: Acqui-hires proved to be an inefficient use of equity
“And I think if you look at the next wave of startups, a dramatic decrease in M&A, because instead of buy, you built and the aqua hire didn't prove out to be the best use of equity. A lot of the decision of buy versus build became easier as you thought about wh…”
David Tisch Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 17:50 Building Durable Brands in Venture Capital | David Tisch on TBPN
TBPN Insight
Tisch: Early-stage venture liquidity timelines have lengthened to 12-15 years
“Time for liquidity in early stage venture has gotten pushed significantly from where it was more predictable a decade or two decades ago. You could say seven to 10 years on an early stage fund and mean it. Today, I think you say seven to 10 years, and you're l…”
David Tisch Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 22:22 Building Durable Brands in Venture Capital | David Tisch on TBPN
TBPN Insight
Tisch: Startups with plateaued products failing to integrate AI are late
“We're now like three years past that you're early to the game. And so if you haven't figured out how to take your stale product or your product that's maxed out and begin to re-energize it feels like you're a little late.”
David Tisch Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 29:53 Building Durable Brands in Venture Capital | David Tisch on TBPN
20VC Insight
Tisch: Price should not dictate individual venture deal decisions
“It is important to be price aware on a portfolio basis. And I don't think on a deal by deal basis, price is a determinant of making a decision.”
David Tisch Feb 9, 2024 ▶ 21:59 20VC: Doug Leone, Bill Ackman, Bill Gurley and Orlando Bravo on "Does Price Matter"; When to Pay Up vs When to Stay Disciplined, The Biggest Lessons on Price Discipline from 8 of the World's Best Investors
20VC Insight
Tisch: Founders prefer 'favorite' VCs over transactional 'best' VCs
“I think best is this, what did they do? What, like, name the things that they did for you. Favorite is, I would work with them in a heartbeat because I like them, and they are a friend. They are somebody that we go to when we want to talk to an investor withou…”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 9:55 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
Tisch: Early-stage speed advantage has been equalized across VC
“I think speed was an advantage before 2019 for early stage investors that has been sort of equalized by all firms across the entire spectrum.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 18:29 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Supported
Tisch: Multi-stage funds writing seed checks has existed for years
“That's been around for over six, seven years now at a, like, infrastructure level across the entire seed market. That isn't new.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 20:32 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Opinion
Tisch: No seed investor is ten times more accurate than peers
“I don't think there's a seed investor that you can find who is figured out how to be right 10 times more often than another seed investor.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 28:54 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: The cost of omission at seed is far more expensive than commission
“And the cost of omission at seed is so much more expensive than the cost of commission. And if you say no to the wrong company, you blow your returns. If you say yes to the wrong company, it's a rounding error in your model.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 42:10 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: Internal negativity leads to safe play that fails at seed
“And so the more that you allow for negativity to creep into conversations amongst the firm, I think less variance you will have in outcomes and the safer you will play, and I don't think that that model works at Seed.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 45:09 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Opinion
Tisch: All founders see seed deals better than VC investors
“I don't think all founders are inherently great pickers. And I don't think all founders are inherently great investors. I do think all founders see better than investors.”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 49:49 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Tisch: Scaled pattern recognition does not work in seed investing
“I truly don't believe in pattern recognition at scale. I think there's nuanced pattern recognition, but I view each one of those companies as an individual relationship, as an individual journey”
David Tisch Feb 5, 2024 ▶ 59:04 David Tisch & Terrence Rohan: Biggest Misconceptions & Hardest Truths About Seed Investing | E1112 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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