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“At some point AIs will have personhood too.”

“Biometrics, I think, is the only way to actually solve the problem, and I would need to go much deeper into why it is, but I think it is the only way to solve the problem of human problem on the internet”

“Two hundred and fifty million dollars, yeah.”

“We disregarded it basically immediately because we assumed that, you know, eventually everything that is just digital and AI will be able to do as well. Yeah, exactly. So an AI will be able to have a GitHub account and we'll be able to post Test and owner acco…”

“And how we approach that is we have multi-party computation. And so that essentially means that, so in our case, when you verify with an orb. You know, we take all these pictures they get computed on the device, and then they actually get split up in multiple …”

“And so I think, you know, in a year from now, it's just going to be a full commodity and it's going to be super photorealistic and absolutely real time.”

“In a world of AI, having a human network is going to be this incredibly important thing. And so actually, yeah, two things like one, you will need a proof of human, but then second, it will have very strong network effects.”

“My guess is over the next couple months, we will see things like these platforms trying to use things like face biometrics on the phone, which, you know, I know it will break, so it's fine, but I think we'll go through that cycle now.”

“And so now we actually, we have the largest wallet in the world in terms of users.”

“Because I think like, 99.9% or something of all internet traffic will be AI driven.”

“I think it's not about combating the bots because that will be a lost cause, but rather every human on these platforms will need some version of a proof of human and actually prove that their content is authentic.”

“So I think my personal prediction, I might be wrong with this, but I think Platforms like X will not be usable. And like a matter of months, maximum two years if they don't come up with completely new technical solutions”

“We are probably in the last innings before superintelligence.”

“A large group of people, but the biggest check was OpenAI and then many of our friends, you know, some of the funds that have been involved here, many, many individuals, it's like a broad, like it's a class, like it's a large scale seed, but it is, from that p…”

“What we currently see is less than one percent of what it will look like in probably a year or two.”

“With a new iPhone, you can have meaningful amount of trust against that, but with old Android phones basically not. And so yeah, you know, because like you can just you can just show a deep fake essentially either through a display or just directly injected in…”

“And then the second thing we do is we separate all of this from you with a zero knowledge proof. So meaning you have that secret on your phone. But no one else has it. No server has it. We don't have it. And then you can later go back to this multi-party compu…”

“So, so we started in Japan and like as a test market, and it's essentially exactly what we just discussed. It is if you verified with an orb, you get a little batch that You know, signals to other people that you are in fact a human.”

“So I think over the next year, 90% of the, you know, effort of the company is just gonna go about the US.”

“Like if you now look at a 15 year time horizon, I think it's going to be a couple of years of research, then a couple of years of medical applications and like hopefully bringing benefits to a lot of people that really need such a technology and then eventuall…”

“If I could do a personal guess, I think like the AR, VR step will be next, and then I think BCIs and kind of high bandwidth BCI specifically, it's gonna come after that. So I think it's gonna be, you know, current smartphone situation, then you will have AR, V…”

“I mean, it would be something around AI misalignment and like some, something in that direction would probably be one, but that also seems to trend in a much better direction over the last couple of years.”

“I actually think the kinds of questions that we're now asking is, are you interacting with a human an agent on behalf of a human or just an agent? Like, I think these are like roughly the three areas that we want to split apart.”

“Things like a face or, you know, even fingerprints or something doesn't work. Like that, then you would basically hit a wall after tens of millions of users.”

“And so then you end up with you know, something like iris, which is the muscle of your eye that actually has enough entropy.”

“When you verify with an orb, we not only do we check your uniqueness in a fully anonymous and privacy-preserving way, and we should talk about that, but also we send to your phone a signed face image that you then can later use to re-authenticate against it.”

“If you have a new enough, let's say iPhone or a general phone then you can just reauthenticate against that picture that you took on verification. Otherwise you would probably have to even go back to an orb somewhat frequently. Like let's say a couple of times…”

“So actually, I think one point on Iris that I think people don't appreciate enough, and that's a bet we took back then, but it was essentially that Iris will turn out to be super normal as a modality, just because I think we will all wear AR and VR systems tha…”

“We are now at. Eighteen million users that are verified. Forty million in total in the app.”

“And WorldID specifically, I think you will see integrated with many of the large platforms that you're already using today in the coming months, maybe, if we're good.”

“So we're not, I think, thirty-seven million users total. Seventeen million of which are verified, so they used one of these orbs.”

“One of the operating principles is fail-safe privacy, because in some, like, that, that's the only way you could kill this company in, in a second. Like, if, like, one engineer is doing something stupid, and we would leak user privacy, basically in any form or…”

“So it's kind of three camps coming together. So that's kind of how it happened. It was Sam, Sandra, and me three of us are not working together since many years on Tulsa for Humanity and on other things. Then it's Mikael Shapiro who's a professor at Caltech an…”

“It's a direct investment from OpenAI, not the venture arm, and so it is an actual collaboration”

“So meaning like within Tinder, and right now in Tinder Japan, it's already live. You can prove both that you are in fact a real human.”