Matt Lerner
Co-Founder & CEO, SYSTM. On 2 shows, 3 appearances. The Shows tab opens the full record on each.
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Matt Lerner is the Co-Founder and CEO of SYSTM and author of Growth Levers and How to Find Them. Previously, he spent 11 years leading growth teams at PayPal and led growth marketing as a partner at 500 Startups.
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3said about them ↓ Everything Matt Lerner said on any show that made the record, most notable first. Each card names its show and opens the statement there.
Lerner: A startup's founder must serve as its first head of growth
“So I really believe very strongly that your first head of growth is your founder, and their first hires, I wouldn't start by hiring somebody senior.”
Founders often resist the right growth lever because they dislike it
“When you find you probably already have the right answer and you probably just don't like it. So the reason you're not growing is because you're missing some important piece of information about the business model, about the market, about your customers. When …”
Early-stage startups cannot compete against incumbents on Meta and Google ads
“Ads, you know, let's just be specific. We're talking about Meta and Google. Those are the main ways you buy, and they're sold at auction, which means ultimately they're going to go to the people who can pay the most, which means the most well-funded companies,…”
Use paid ads for quick testing, not scaling early-stage startup growth
“Ads are a very good way to get traffic quickly for testing. So suppose, you know, you're an early stage B to B company and you have very little traffic and you've come up with three, you've interviewed all your customers and you found there's three different b…”
Lerner: PayPal wasted hundreds of millions on unused marketing and products
“They spent hundreds of millions of dollars on marketing campaigns, building products that, frankly, nobody ever used”
Lerner: Revenue is the wrong North Star metric for early-stage startups
“The biggest mistake with North Star, and it's a very reasonable one, is they choose their North Star as revenue, or profits.”
Lerner: PayPal's best growth hires had zero marketing or product background
“The best, I'll say categorically, the best growth people I hired and managed in my time at PayPal had no marketing experience, had no product experience at all.”
Lerner: Prospects will become immune to AI outbound outreach within a year
“They will become a nerd to that in a year, but at the moment, the window's kind of still open.”
Lerner: 95% of PayPal's Growth Came From Just Five Initiatives
“When I look back on it, all of our growth, all of like, 95% of it came from like five things.”
Interview recent buyers, not non-buyers, to avoid misleading customer insights
“We start with people who are customers who just became customers for a couple of reasons. First of all, the purchase journey is still fresh in their heads, but also If they didn't buy, they might not actually be your good customer. They might not have bought b…”
Lerner: Prioritize growth experiments by maximum potential upside, not effort
“I don't care how much effort it is to do the experiment. I care if this works, how big can it be? Because a lot of times people will just work on a piece of the funnel or something that even if it did amazingly well, You know, it's only move the needle by thre…”
Founders cannot delegate discovering initial growth mechanics to an early hire
“If you don't know how to grow the product yourself, you know, you're hiring someone else not to be your head of growth, but to like be your figure out how to grow this business person. And that's an extremely hard job. And most of the people who can actually d…”
Matt Lerner's best growth hires were scientists with zero marketing experience
“Personally, my best growth people I ever hired had no product and marketing experience at all. They were analytical thinkers, former scientists who had a bias for action and good people skills and start to get them stuck in on pieces of the problem.”
Stalled startups with happy customers suffer GTM bottlenecks, not missing features
“You know, the instinct for some people, product people is we have some happy customers. We're not growing. Let's add the features the other customers want and hope if we add enough features that we'll grow. And that's usually, you know, not the problem. The pr…”
Founders blaming failure on exogenous risks are uncoachable on growth
“And there's one question we asked, which can very reliably weed out teams we don't want to work with. And it's the premortem question. Okay. Suppose we're two years out. And this didn't work, and you've completely failed and missed your goals. What probably we…”
Longer onboarding flows with diagnostic questions build buyer intent and conversion
“So what seems like a very, you know, contrary to popular wisdom, make the boarding flow longer and ask lots and lots of questions actually really helped to build intent. And then by the time they get to the paywall, they had a surprisingly high conversion rate…”
Lerner: 90% of PayPal's growth came from 10% of initiatives
“When I look back on my time at PayPal, 90% of our growth came from, like, 10% of the stuff that we did.”
Lerner: Startup growth is information discovery, not executing standard playbooks
“How much of growth is actually figuring stuff out? Is actually information discovery rather than running playbooks, doing best practices, copying what other companies did?”
Lerner: Hubris leads startups to overinvest in unproven growth playbooks
“The hardest thing about figuring stuff out Is, honestly, I think it's hubris. I think it's that people come in and they don't realize they need to figure stuff out. They have their best practices, they have what worked in their last job, they have what they he…”
Lerner: Introducing onboarding friction often yields higher quality customers
“So a lot of times you'll get the best customers in situations where you're actually introducing friction into the funnel.”
Lerner: Micro-optimization is premature until startups establish major growth levers
“So in the beginning, you, it's premature to start optimizing. You need to figure out the big stuff first. Once you've got one lever working, two levers working, then you can start devoting resources to optimizing and trying to squeeze more juice out of that le…”
Lerner: Science without art delivers growth results; art without science fails
“I mean, if I were running a company and you had a gun to my head and I had to choose one, I'd say science. Because science without art can deliver business results. And art without science, just, if it does, it's very rare and exceptional down to luck. It just…”
Lerner: Early-stage startups only need to excel at 1.5 things
“Like a startup needs to be good at one and a half things tops”
Lerner: Paid acquisition below $100M ARR should only be for testing
“So first of all, I think the exception on paid below a hundred million in ARR is it's a good way to get eyeballs quickly for testing. So it's a good way to validate stuff quickly, but it shouldn't obviously be the crux of your growth early on.”
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