Sam Lessin

person on 9 shows · 373 statements across 122 episodes · said 80 times in 34 episodes since 2016

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Lessin: Built AI pipeline that autonomously produces and uploads YouTube videos
“So I literally now have a pipeline where I ask a question and it fully produces and deploys YouTube videos that are three to seven minutes that are excellent on like any topic I want through to YouTube.”
Sam Lessin Sep 4, 2026 ▶ 6:04 AI Agents Are Going Rogue. Should We Be Worried? │Claude vs. Grok, Tesla vs Waymo, Google vs Canva · More or Less Podcast
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Lessin: Gave AI full control of a Mac mini to deploy iOS apps via TestFlight
“So I actually just gave my cloud cloud and this thing's full control of a Mac mini down to screen, like full, full, full control. So that it can deploy through test flight all its own apps from single commands.”
Sam Lessin Sep 4, 2026 ▶ 7:42 AI Agents Are Going Rogue. Should We Be Worried? │Claude vs. Grok, Tesla vs Waymo, Google vs Canva · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: Email is by far the best interface for AI agents
“The email agent thing, I was on with an entrepreneur, actually two in the last week, and he's like, well, I have, like, the, I call the agent, and I text the agent, and I was like, yeah, but email's by far the best, and he's like, yeah, it is. Email's sick. Th…”
Sam Lessin Aug 28, 2026 ▶ 3:47 Meta’s $17B Reckoning & Why Parents Can’t Compete With Big Tech's Algorithm · More or Less Podcast
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YouTube blocked More or Less podcast promotion for mentioning Donald Trump
“We had a great podcast episode and I can't promote it because we mentioned the DT name.”
Sam Lessin Aug 28, 2026 ▶ 20:06 Meta’s $17B Reckoning & Why Parents Can’t Compete With Big Tech's Algorithm · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: Customizable software will not lead to user restraint
“Customizable software is not going to lead to restraint. People are like, I want more powerful marijuana strains. Like, they don't want less powerful shit, right?”
Sam Lessin Aug 28, 2026 ▶ 32:28 Meta’s $17B Reckoning & Why Parents Can’t Compete With Big Tech's Algorithm · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin algorithmically screenshots his son's iMessages all day to bypass Apple
“And like, by the way, you know, I have a desktop, like sitting in my computer in my room where I just like logged into my son's iMessage account. And I've sit there and fucking screenshot it all day long algorithmically. Cause there's no APIs to it. So I can p…”
Sam Lessin Aug 28, 2026 ▶ 34:19 Meta’s $17B Reckoning & Why Parents Can’t Compete With Big Tech's Algorithm · More or Less Podcast
Apple easily deflects child safety and age verification blame onto Meta
“On the kids stuff, they get to blame. I mean, the stuff like the, like, age verification stuff will be It's so easy for them to do, but somehow it's Facebook's problem. Like, they're pretty good at pushing off blame to others.”
Sam Lessin Aug 28, 2026 ▶ 35:25 Meta’s $17B Reckoning & Why Parents Can’t Compete With Big Tech's Algorithm · More or Less Podcast
Apple risks a Nike-style decline if it relies solely on supply chain
“This is my being really cynical snarky, but the cynical snarky take is in about 15 years, you can supply chain optimize the hell out of a company and make stock go way up, but then Apple better figure out how to not be Nike, right, and come up with the innovat…”
Sam Lessin Aug 28, 2026 ▶ 40:54 Meta’s $17B Reckoning & Why Parents Can’t Compete With Big Tech's Algorithm · More or Less Podcast
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Lessin spends $3,000 monthly on infrastructure for his personal AI bot
“My bot is running about three grand a month of infrastructure, database, App servers, et cetera.”
Sam Lessin Aug 14, 2026 ▶ 6:24 Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng. · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: AI companies without unique proprietary data will not have long-term value
“If your data isn't unique, you're not going to be valuable long-term”
Sam Lessin Aug 14, 2026 ▶ 20:15 Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng. · More or Less Podcast
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Lessin repeatedly pitched that Facebook should acquire the DMV
“Peter, we used to have meetings for what we should buy, and my pitch was always that the Facebook should buy the DMV.”
Sam Lessin Aug 14, 2026 ▶ 20:56 Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng. · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: AI labs giving equity to the government is cynical bullshit
“That was the most cynical bullshit I've ever heard from my perspective, even though I do actually like Trump accounts and the idea of the index.”
Sam Lessin Aug 14, 2026 ▶ 37:56 Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng. · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: Traditional American pathways of hard work and schooling have run out
“Historically, if you were an IQ 100 person and worked hard, you'd do fine. If you had a shovel, then it was like, oh, just go to school, and you'll do fine, because there was so much demand for, like, intellectual jobs. Those stories have run out on the capita…”
Sam Lessin Aug 14, 2026 ▶ 40:02 Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng. · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: Handing out market-compounding cash will not solve America's opportunity crisis
“It's not clear what the next story is, but the story of, hey, here's a thousand bucks, hopefully it compounds in the market, I don't think solves the underlying problem of, like, how do you create opportunity for people and, like, the American story of capital…”
Sam Lessin Aug 14, 2026 ▶ 40:16 Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng. · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin: Slow Ventures invested $3M in Airtable at $90M valuation
“So I put a three million dollar check into Airtable at a 90 post in between rounds early on, because this is now probably in 2012 ish, maybe that era.”
Sam Lessin Aug 7, 2026 ▶ 19:57 Jeff Dean Leaves Google, Airtable Sells, and the Bag-Securing Era · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin: AI labs share the exact same cap tables as SaaS companies
“It's the same. It's the same investors. It's exactly the same cap tables.”
Sam Lessin Aug 7, 2026 ▶ 31:35 Jeff Dean Leaves Google, Airtable Sells, and the Bag-Securing Era · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: Ex-Apple employees almost certainly took IP to OpenAI
“I think both are almost certainly true in that I am sure that it is true that people lifted a bunch of IP out of Apple on their way to OpenAI.”
Sam Lessin Aug 7, 2026 ▶ 33:22 Jeff Dean Leaves Google, Airtable Sells, and the Bag-Securing Era · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: Cold Outreach Should Imply You Were Already in Conversation
“The best move in an email if you want to meet with someone, Is start in the middle of a conversation as though you have already been talking to the person. Because then you're like, oh shit, like, and then it's a lot of work. I have to like figure out if we ac…”
Sam Lessin Jul 31, 2026 ▶ 57:20 The Lilian Weng Saga, Mental Health Essay Then OpenAI | Meta's AI Ad, China Cracks DUV
Sam Lessin: Commercial biological age tests are unreliable 'bullshit'
“Listen, this stuff is all bullshit. I got Aura saying I'm seven years younger. I got Dexa saying I'm, like,”
Sam Lessin Jul 24, 2026 ▶ 6:22 Stripe Is Trying To Buy PayPal For $150b | OpenAI Cyber Incident, Frontier Model Economics, Peptides · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin questions value of passive listening AI hardware
“In practice, like most of what people say isn't that valuable. So I don't know that like passive listening is actually all it's cracked up to be in the end of the day for usefulness. It's mostly a lot of ums, but look, marginally lowering the barrier to record…”
Sam Lessin Jul 17, 2026 ▶ 36:22 Open Source AI Wins. Now Labs Are Running to Washington |Thinking Machines, Johnny Ive, Realtime API · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin: Biological age testing methods show a 10-year variance
“My biological age is like a variance of 10 years based on whether you Dexa or Garmin or whatever the hell, like they're all different. It's all bullshit.”
Sam Lessin Jul 17, 2026 ▶ 48:05 Open Source AI Wins. Now Labs Are Running to Washington |Thinking Machines, Johnny Ive, Realtime API · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: Effective altruism is 'stupid' due to flawed impact calculations
“I think effective altruism is stupid because I think that they have a really false sense of how they can calculate.”
Sam Lessin Jul 10, 2026 ▶ 16:16 AI Frontier Lab Is Essentially Doomed | Open AI Offered U.S. Equity, Xbox Is In Trouble, Post-AGI · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: OpenAI's government equity offer signals it is distressed
“But it is also, like, one of those things where, like, the only way we do this is for distressed situations. It's crazy for us to not do this, so they're distressed. They're distressed.”
Sam Lessin Jul 10, 2026 ▶ 19:41 AI Frontier Lab Is Essentially Doomed | Open AI Offered U.S. Equity, Xbox Is In Trouble, Post-AGI · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: Padel is a great sport for socializing with the ultra-rich
“If you wanna hang out with really rich people, this is a great sport to learn.”
Sam Lessin Jul 3, 2026 ▶ 7:35 Every CTO Is Quietly Switching Off Anthropic and OpenAI | GLM 5.2, Vox Americanus, Claude Fable 5 · More or Less Podcast
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Lessin: ID Verification APIs Like Stripe and Persona Are Shockingly Robust
“The big delta from today versus even a few years ago is it's shockingly easy to validate IDs, right? The APIs are now really robust for it. There's Persona, there's Stripe.”
Sam Lessin Jul 3, 2026 ▶ 14:57 Every CTO Is Quietly Switching Off Anthropic and OpenAI | GLM 5.2, Vox Americanus, Claude Fable 5 · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: Political Candidates in 2026 Must Already Have a Media Footprint
“In twenty-twenty six, you can't take someone who's like the nice guy liked in the community and build a media strategy for them. You need them to already have like a media footprint themselves.”
Sam Lessin Jul 3, 2026 ▶ 16:12 Every CTO Is Quietly Switching Off Anthropic and OpenAI | GLM 5.2, Vox Americanus, Claude Fable 5 · More or Less Podcast
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Lessin: A verified national internet would be far more moderate than Twitter
“That if you truly had the American internet or, like, the French internet, this can be global in various ways, it is so much more moderate than what you get on Twitter, right? Like, it would, like, it would be so much more moderate”
Sam Lessin Jul 3, 2026 ▶ 23:15 Every CTO Is Quietly Switching Off Anthropic and OpenAI | GLM 5.2, Vox Americanus, Claude Fable 5 · More or Less Podcast
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Lessin: Vox Americanus was built in days by emailing an AI coding bot
“It actually is pretty freaking good, and, like, the fact that I could, like, Build that in a few days, but like honestly on boats, like texting my, or emailing my bot for changes is like pretty sweet.”
Sam Lessin Jul 3, 2026 ▶ 28:35 Every CTO Is Quietly Switching Off Anthropic and OpenAI | GLM 5.2, Vox Americanus, Claude Fable 5 · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin: The future of media is highly relevant micro-communities
“This is the future. It's all about having your community, which is very small, For which you are relevant.”
Sam Lessin Jun 26, 2026 ▶ 2:25 Chinese AI Model GLM 5.2 Beating Frontier Models | Meta Glasses, Polymarket Scandal, AI Talent War · More or Less Podcast
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Lessin: Highly unlikely a big platform successfully launches prediction markets
“I agree that it's extremely unlikely that a enormous company platform will successfully launch something as avant-garde as a, it's not impossible, but very unlikely.”
Sam Lessin Jun 26, 2026 ▶ 17:19 Chinese AI Model GLM 5.2 Beating Frontier Models | Meta Glasses, Polymarket Scandal, AI Talent War · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: AI valuation models are binary bets on infinity or zero
“Everyone's model looks like this infinity or zero and probability of infinity.”
Sam Lessin Jun 26, 2026 ▶ 24:20 Chinese AI Model GLM 5.2 Beating Frontier Models | Meta Glasses, Polymarket Scandal, AI Talent War · More or Less Podcast
Lessin: Product designers should never give users choice
“No, never give users choice. You have to tell them what to do.”
Sam Lessin Jun 26, 2026 ▶ 36:03 Chinese AI Model GLM 5.2 Beating Frontier Models | Meta Glasses, Polymarket Scandal, AI Talent War · More or Less Podcast
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Lessin: AI survey shows lower approval rating than Jeffrey Epstein
“I believe that in a recent survey, AI has a lower approval rating than Jeffrey Epstein. It's, like, six percent.”
Sam Lessin Jun 5, 2026 ▶ 13:53 Silicon Valley IPO Summer 2026: SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI Explained
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Lessin: I use ElevenLabs to make voice-cloned custom podcasts for my kids
“I will say I use a lot of 11 Labs because I just only listen to podcasts I make for myself. I'd say most humans are like, I don't like listening to my voice. I apparently am fine with it because like in our car, I'm just constantly making new podcasts for the …”
Sam Lessin Jun 5, 2026 ▶ 41:03 Silicon Valley IPO Summer 2026: SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI Explained
Lessin: Nobody watches tech shows like TBPN live, only clips travel
“The irony is no one watches any of this stuff live. Like the TPPN has a tiny, had, I don't even know now, had a tiny actual Audience for the thing. It's just the clips moved, right? Like, so there's no one who's ever watching it anyway, right?”
Sam Lessin Jun 5, 2026 ▶ 43:06 Silicon Valley IPO Summer 2026: SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI Explained
Lessin: Silicon Valley is film finance and tells better stories than Hollywood
“Because it's all about the attention and narrative economy anyway. We're financing. We actually are doing film finance at this point. Like Silicon Valley has just taken the job of Southern California, and we're way better at storytelling.”
Sam Lessin Jun 5, 2026 ▶ 44:07 Silicon Valley IPO Summer 2026: SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI Explained
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Sam Lessin: NeuroPod Vagal Stimulation Doubled Oura HRV
“My Oura Ring, it's like my HRV went through the roof. Like, it doubled. My heart rate dropped.”
Sam Lessin May 15, 2026 ▶ 1:33 Google's AI-First Laptop, Meta's Spy Games, AI Monks in Middle America · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin: Anthropic engineers in middle America will need security forces
“The anthropic engineers will go to middle America and they're going to need a large security force.”
Sam Lessin May 15, 2026 ▶ 30:24 Google's AI-First Laptop, Meta's Spy Games, AI Monks in Middle America · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin says his database costs have far outpaced AI token costs
“The answer is it's Postgres. My Postgres bill is the thing that's gone up the most. It's databases.”
Sam Lessin May 1, 2026 ▶ 42:27 Elon Musk vs OpenAI Trial, Google Cloud Surge, Meta’s Blocked Acquisition, Anthropic Winning · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin built an AI bot generating custom kids' podcasts on demand
“So now whenever they want to listen to something in a car, I just email my bot. I say, make a podcast on how Minecraft was made, or how the history of Nintendo, or how EI Sports FC Mobile XXX was made, or Jetpack Joyride.”
Sam Lessin May 1, 2026 ▶ 50:45 Elon Musk vs OpenAI Trial, Google Cloud Surge, Meta’s Blocked Acquisition, Anthropic Winning · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin claims YouTube subscriber counts are easily bought and clearly fake
“The subscriber number on YouTube is clearly fake, because I just like, Literally paid 300 bucks.”
Sam Lessin May 1, 2026 ▶ 58:11 Elon Musk vs OpenAI Trial, Google Cloud Surge, Meta’s Blocked Acquisition, Anthropic Winning · More or Less Podcast
Startups hyping AI danger to raise money caused the public backlash
“And it's like, actually, this was the entire marketing strategy. Right? Like, if you think about it, like, the irony of the whole thing is everyone's like, everyone hates that. It's like, well, your money-raising strategy has been to run around, including the …”
Sam Lessin Apr 24, 2026 ▶ 6:40 What Tim Cook’s “Executive Chairman” Move Really Means | Musk vs OpenAI, xAI and Cursor Rumors
Compensating displaced workers via UBI will just make them sadder
“As I've shot my mouth off a lot online, the problem is not basic income. The problem is meaning, right? You can't just, like, pay people and make them happy. They'll just be sadder.”
Sam Lessin Apr 24, 2026 ▶ 9:23 What Tim Cook’s “Executive Chairman” Move Really Means | Musk vs OpenAI, xAI and Cursor Rumors
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Sam Lessin: Fund Started Selling Allbirds at Series B
“Then it was the B. Because it was getting so, it was great product. Like we love the product. Great, great products. But the math became simple, which is the only way it made sense to hold it is if you believe that Allbirds was the next Nike. And we're like, w…”
Sam Lessin Apr 17, 2026 ▶ 9:31 Allbirds Pivoted to AI Data Centers | SpaceX $1.5T IPO, Anthropic $800B, $175M Seed Rounds
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Sam Lessin: Autonomous Bot Accidentally Sent 30 Invitations Instead of Drafting Them
“I asked by CRM, I was like, hey, we're doing this creator bot school. Go find the 20 to 30 most important people that creators would want to meet with in New York, I'm sorry, in San Francisco, and invite them if they want to stop by, and like, you know, it pul…”
Sam Lessin Apr 3, 2026 ▶ 23:02 OpenAI's $852 Billion Valuation Makes Zero Sense (ClawCon Tokyo, Anthropic's Leak, Goodbye Internet)
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Sam Lessin: Disclosed a $100K Seed Investment Into AssemblyAI
“Assembly AI, which by the way, we received investors in. I put a hundred K into their first round, but they're crushing it.”
Sam Lessin Apr 3, 2026 ▶ 29:24 OpenAI's $852 Billion Valuation Makes Zero Sense (ClawCon Tokyo, Anthropic's Leak, Goodbye Internet)
Sam Lessin: Bullish on Software, But Negative on Software Businesses
“That's why I'm so bullish on software and so negative on software businesses, because I'm just like, I don't like, just, these are just tokens.”
Sam Lessin Apr 3, 2026 ▶ 32:05 OpenAI's $852 Billion Valuation Makes Zero Sense (ClawCon Tokyo, Anthropic's Leak, Goodbye Internet)
Lessin: AI Compute Has Zero Vendor Lock-In for Developers
“And like the reality is the fact that I can just sit there and in three commands while I'm doing other stuff, do that is mind blowing, but it means there's no lock in on anything. I'm just going to sit there and price and quality optimize. Right. Like there's …”
Sam Lessin Apr 3, 2026 ▶ 38:59 OpenAI's $852 Billion Valuation Makes Zero Sense (ClawCon Tokyo, Anthropic's Leak, Goodbye Internet)
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Sam Lessin: Built six AI apps in a week using podcast transcripts
“I've done, I've built like six apps this week, like literally, I'm not even exaggerating, but like I did bought, I did first build a quick version. I basically took our, all of our transcripts. I ripped through them, had to build personality, psychographic pro…”
Sam Lessin Mar 6, 2026 ▶ 10:40 Fire Sam Altman, The End of Software Engineers, and Why AI Is All Narrative · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: Software Engineers Fear Protesting AI Because It Signals Incompetence
“To admit that you are worried about software taking your job as a software builder is to effectively say that you are a bad software engineer, right?”
Sam Lessin Mar 6, 2026 ▶ 27:12 Fire Sam Altman, The End of Software Engineers, and Why AI Is All Narrative · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: Interoperability standards no longer matter for AI agents
“But you don't need standards. It doesn't matter anymore.”
Sam Lessin Mar 6, 2026 ▶ 49:29 Fire Sam Altman, The End of Software Engineers, and Why AI Is All Narrative · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: Apple's restraint on AI CapEx is a great move
“I hate Apple, but Apple's lack of CapEx has made me start liking them, because it's just so great. They're like, fuck you, no CapEx.”
Sam Lessin Feb 27, 2026 ▶ 44:39 Apple, OpenAI & Why Nobody Makes Money in AI | The SaaS Apocalypse · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin: Bay Area software jobs will drop 50% in three years
“200,000.”
Sam Lessin Feb 20, 2026 ▶ 43:52 OpenClaw vs Meta vs OpenAI: The Personal Agent Wars Heat Up · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: AI Has Created a 24/7 Work Cycle, Not Less Work
“And so to me, I think that's really the, you know, we talk about where the world is going and, you know, people are like, oh, AI is going to make people work less or whatever. No, I think what's happening is, especially right now, it's just created a work cycl…”
Sam Lessin Feb 13, 2026 ▶ 5:45 Why OpenAI Can't Win The Decentralized AI Future (OpenClaw, Apple's Win, X.AI Exodus) · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin spends up to $3,000 monthly on personal AI agents
“My bet is I'm spending, my bet is my full, like, AI tinker budget of things running around doing things for me is on the order of like, 2500 or 3000 dollars a month.”
Sam Lessin Feb 13, 2026 ▶ 10:56 Why OpenAI Can't Win The Decentralized AI Future (OpenClaw, Apple's Win, X.AI Exodus) · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: Tech companies must stay secret or completely lead the narrative
“And so I think there's this big schism of like, you either are a secret company or you're the most obvious company in the world, but you leave the narrative. You can't be in the middle.”
Sam Lessin Jan 16, 2026 ▶ 26:38 SaaS Companies Beware: AI Is The New UI (Anthropic's Claude Code and Cowork) · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin: Cursor's store split from VS Code creates app store lock-in issues
“Cursor split the store from VS code because they want to, like, create their own ecosystem that's independent, etc. And the way it all plays out Is VS code is like, no, like the package you need to install to do Garmin watch faces. We're going to control that.…”
Sam Lessin Jan 16, 2026 ▶ 32:10 SaaS Companies Beware: AI Is The New UI (Anthropic's Claude Code and Cowork) · More or Less Podcast
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Sam Lessin: Platforms will lock down app stores to extract value from AI
“I do think there's gonna be all sorts of weird business development games that start getting played with locked down app stores, locked down code bases, who has access to what. All of a sudden, Garmin is going to be like, Hey, guess what? We had a whole busine…”
Sam Lessin Jan 16, 2026 ▶ 33:03 SaaS Companies Beware: AI Is The New UI (Anthropic's Claude Code and Cowork) · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: Ubiquitous AI will kill public APIs and turn everything into walled gardens
“The upshot is like, in some ways, all that AI is doing is rationalizing effectively the world of APIs and the world of programmatic access. Because when you drop access, where it's not just like really sophisticated, smart people who can kind of do stuff and y…”
Sam Lessin Jan 16, 2026 ▶ 36:49 SaaS Companies Beware: AI Is The New UI (Anthropic's Claude Code and Cowork) · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin: Seed-stage investing is the most defensible part of the investment world
“I think that seed stage investing is the most defensible part of the entire investing world. Everything should get more efficient ETFs, algorithmic trading. Does that come down market? Of course it comes down market and it spans. But any idea That a bot can ro…”
Sam Lessin Jan 16, 2026 ▶ 40:16 SaaS Companies Beware: AI Is The New UI (Anthropic's Claude Code and Cowork) · More or Less Podcast

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