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Ek: Spotify critics mistake increased creator competition for a broken business model
“But there's also more competition, which is, I think when people are talking about Spotify and criticizing it, that's the part I think is the biggest misconception. Because they hear so many, many people who are trying and it doesn't work where they're not mak…”
Ek: Top-down initiatives fail; Spotify scales bottom-up organic user behavior
“What's so amazing with the platform is every time we try to do something deliberate sort of top down, it's sort of fail. And most of the time, actually, what we see is the inflings of something already existing on the platform and then growing from there.”
Ek: Spotify's internal motto is 'talk is cheap' to prioritize deliberation
“So the internal saying that Spotify is talk is cheap. Because we want to be really deliberate about what it is we're doing and how we're doing it.”
Gilbert: Spotify lacks operating leverage in music due to record labels
“I think Spotify in their music business has gotten to scale and has no potential to create a high operating leverage business. They're always going to be giving the same percentage of the profits to the record labels who have an unbelievable amount of bargaini…”
Daniel Ek: Generative AI will wipe out the creative middle tier
“So my view is you're going to see both extremes. You're going to see the middle getting wiped out. More people participate, but the very, very top is probably going to increase in value as well.”
Ek: Pure content monetization is becoming auxiliary revenue for modern creators
“In addition to that, just monetizing the content in itself is probably becoming an auxiliary revenue sources around them. Three 60, very similar again to mom and pop shops, like where you could do live events. You could be doing merchandising. You could build …”
Ek: Launching internet startups globally on day one is 99.9% wrong
“We all believe that these like sort of internet companies that go global day one, that's like the right approach. I actually think. 99.9%. This is just untrue and false. The entrepreneurs have to revise. We all, all are benefited from constraining ourselves To…”
Ek: Taylor Swift probably could not reach number one without streaming platforms
“Do I think she could have reached number one at that point without streaming? Probably not would have been the answer.”
Ek: High usage despite terrible UX proves strong underlying product demand
“So when your product is being used in spite of it actually being a pretty terrible experience, you kind of know you've got something.”
Gilbert: Spotify Is Well Positioned to Monetize Podcasting at Scale
“They totally bootstrap their way to become the scale player in podcasting. So to the extent that there is a big pile of money waiting to be the scale player in podcasting, they're well positioned to make it given the half billion dollars or three quarters of a…”
Ek: Spotify's AI DJ feature will eventually outdo Discover Weekly
“Yes. And I think it'll even outdo Discover Weekly.”
Ek: Spotify would have died if it launched in the US first
“I can tell you definitively Spotify would not have been alive today had it not been that we Couldn't launch in the US as our first market, huh?”
Peloton pays $9 per 15 hours of music versus Spotify's $1.20
“I ran the math on what it would cost Spotify to pay the labels for the same amount of music listening time based on the data that we used in the Taylor Swift episode. So, you know, 15 hours across a month. So I was thinking the same as, like, you know, a 30 mi…”
One Million Spotify Streams Nets Just $400 for an Average Artist
“At least on Spotify and Spotify-like services, it's about .4 cents per stream, and then that cent, that, that, that .4 cents, Gets cut up between the label, rights organization, et cetera, before the artist. And so it's reasonable, this is a crazy thing, but i…”
Swift Forced UMG to Distribute Spotify Equity to Artists Non-Recoupably
“In Taylor's negotiation, as a sticking point in her contract with UMG, she forced their hand to do the best deal of any of the labels by far. It's not public, but people think it's at least the same thing that Warner did, 25%. But non-recoupable, and given the…”
Ek: German labels hacking Spotify to upload audiobooks prompted podcast expansion
“What happened in Germany is all the record companies started uploading audiobooks to the service. So they started hacking the system for all these other things, and when they ran out of that, they actually started uploading podcasts.”
Ek: Over 150 million people listen to podcasts on Spotify
“And today there's over a hundred and fifty million people listening to podcast on Spotify.”
Rosenthal: Taylor Swift Made Over $100M From Spotify Streaming Alone in 2023
“Last year Taylor made over, well over. Reported, reported, this is reported. Well over a hundred million dollars from Spotify streaming alone.”
Ek: Social music works via shared co-listening, not passive friend-watching
“While I still think music is very social, I think what we got wrong in the product was this sort of notion that just seeing sort of what all of your friends are listening to may not be the sort of right social product. But if you instead sort of say like, I wa…”
Acquired reached #1 globally on Apple and Spotify following WSJ profile
“And what happened is when that article came out, Acquired became the number one podcast on both Spotify and Apple charts in the world.”
Ek: German music labels uploaded audiobooks onto Spotify using catalog rights
“For instance, in Germany, unbeknownst to us, but one of the sort of crazy things that ended up happening was just people started uploading audio books because it turns out that these music labels actually own a bunch of audio book rights.”
Ek: Spotify willingly releases products before execution is crisp
“We're actually one of these companies that happily will release something out that's not great. It's probably have the right strategy, but execution isn't super crisp and perfect.”
Ek: Music merchandising differs from podcasts because songs are evaluated in 15 seconds
“Fundamentally how we merchandise content has to be very different for music than it is for an audio book or a podcast. And if you think about it, it's kind of logical, because in a song, it's a three minute commitment of your time. And you can actually probabl…”
Ek: AI-generated audio will become indistinguishable from real recordings
“It's totally possible for us to make an entire episode where We're saying totally different things than what we're saying now, and it, at some point in the future, might be virtually indistinguishable from the real thing.”
Gilbert: AI deepfakes will increase the value of content platforms
“Platforms probably have a role to play in verifying authenticity. Like that, that actually raises the value of platforms, because platforms like Spotify, YouTube, you actually can point to, we know for a fact that this was created by the creator, and we can st…”
Ek: Podcaster ad monetization is a huge priority for Spotify
“One of the big things right now is obviously this is a huge thing, perhaps even more so than music for us to offer monetization to a lot of these podcasters that perhaps unlike yourself can't sell ads.”
Ek: Audiobooks and podcasts differ by business model, not production format
“But the better way to think about audio books and podcasting is it's really around a business model mostly. So one way to frame it instead would be Podcasting is ad supported audio and audiobooks is paid audio.”
Ek: Spotify aims to win creators via flexibility, not exclusivity
“Our goal is to be the best partner of creators. No, not the only partner, but just the best and win by basically not forcing the creator to do something, but just offering a really good way for creators to work low friction, but also lots of potential to custo…”
Ek: Early skepticism of new concepts shifts directly into hindsight obviousness
“What I often tell other entrepreneurs is like, well the fact that people doubt you in the beginning, you kind of need to pay attention to that and hear what valid concerns they may have. But a bunch of that is just, like, they're not used to the concept and it…”
Ek: Early Spotify required eight word-of-mouth exposures per user signup
“In early Spotify we had eight people needed to have heard about Spotify before we were able to sign someone up. And so we realized that the geographical density in which that happened was actually a key sort of contributor and a timeline, so much of our early …”
Ek: Global audiobook listenership will expand to hundreds of millions
“Our view is we eventually think audiobooks should be much, much larger than what it is today. Hundreds of millions of people who are actually listening to audiobooks because the content is great, rather than today what's tens of millions of people.”
Ek: Spotify invested globally in reggaeton after seeing diaspora cluster breakouts
“And so, many years ago, we kind of started seeing them breaking out their natural clusters and becoming a pretty big thing, and it was, for me at that time, it was just pretty obvious that if we invested in that genre on a global basis, we thought that that wo…”
Ek: Every successful entrepreneur survives at least three near-death company moments
“And I think every really successful entrepreneur, in my opinion, has had at least three near death experiences with their company, right? Where you just feel like, I'm not sure whether this, Thing is gonna work, not work whether we're gonna be alive tomorrow o…”
Barry McCarthy modernized the direct listing process while at Spotify
“Barry, like, invented, you know, didn't invent, but modernized the direct listing and everything that's happening now.”
Taylor Swift Enjoys True Switching Costs Because She Is Irreplaceable
“I think definitionally she also has switching costs because the CEO of Spotify, when she was not on Spotify, was flying to the US to negotiate for her to get back on. Clearly You can't substitute a replacement and have equal value.”
Ek: Spotify had only a few million podcast listeners in 2019
“In 2019 you know, when we got into podcasts the world around podcast listening and Spotify, there was a few million people listening to this.”
Ek: Relatively simple Spotify changes could take 1-2 years to license
“In many cases, even making relatively simple changes could take one or two years for us to get licensed.”
Ek: Spotify has way north of half a billion users
“What we realized is we should use this base of what was then several hundred million people and today's way north of half a billion people and just serve them more stuff.”
Daniel Ek: Acquired reached over five million Spotify listening hours, tripling yearly
“On Spotify alone, you guys have now done over five million hours, and it tripled in the last year.”
Acquired added 317,000 subscribers after Wall Street Journal profile
“317,000 new subscribers or followers, depending on whether you're using Apple or Spotify's parlance, have followed the show since the Wall Street Journal piece went live.”
Gilbert: 76% of Acquired's Spotify Audience Discovered the Show in 2023
“One stat that's interesting is from Spotify wrapped for podcasters, they make a wrapped to give to you in addition to the ones to distribute to your audience, is that 76% of the people who listen to Spotify acquired on Spotify found us this year.”
Ek: Long-form podcasts allow nuanced elaboration unlike 30-second journalist interviews
“Unlike you talking to a journalist, et cetera, it's truly a conversation one, and the second part is, There's enough time to actually elaborate on the thought and the idea. Whereas you have to be so succinct in how you express your idea and truly get it across…”
Ek: I would never have founded Spotify if I knew the difficulty
“It's been a true sort of emotional rollercoaster, and it is true what you say, but like, for me, had you told me how hard this would have been, I would have never done it. I'm happy I went through it, but I would have never done it.”
Gilbert: Acquired had fewer than 1,000 Spotify listeners on Jan 1, 2019
“If you look at January first, 2019, we had less than a thousand listeners on Spotify.”
Ek: Exponential company growth is multiple stacked linear curves
“If you think about an exponential curve if you really zoom in on that exponential curve, it actually is like a lot of different linear curves. Stacked on top of each other that creates that kind of exponential curve.”
Daniel Ek: There are over 4 million podcasts in existence
“It's about a little bit more than double that now.”
Spotify Routes Roughly 80% of Stream Payouts to Master Recording Rights
“When you stream a song on Spotify, the vast majority of the payout goes to the master recording. So think the label. And when I say vast majority, let's call it 80%. A much smaller portion, 12% on average, goes to the owner of the publishing right, typically t…”
Recorded Music Revenues Collapsed From a $15B Peak to a $7B Low
“So, first of all, the music industry peaked in 1999 with about 14, fifteen billion dollars in recorded music revenues. So this is shipping CDs, basically. I mean, when you look at this line, and we'll link to the RIAA's wonderful Tableau diagram of this, it is…”