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Startups can scale to $10M ARR using only Meta, Google, and lifecycle
“You want those three things spun up because you can scale to your first 1,000,010 million ARR, Just off of those three things. And then obviously, you know, you're investing into the site, you're investing into founder-led content. There's like the other thing…”
Swulinski: Paid Acquisition Usually Fails Due to Bad Conversion Tracking Setup
“If you have poor conversion tracking, Meta doesn't know who those people are, and it just randomly targets people, and you, you'll have a super high CAC, you'll say, ah, pay doesn't work for me. I'd say most of the time, people haven't done the actual setup co…”
Swulinski: A $100K Meta Budget Requires 400-500 New Creatives Monthly
“Like if you, let's say you have a hundred K meta budget, You probably need at least 400 to 500 new creatives a month. Otherwise, you're going to plateau. You're going to get out-competed.”
Frankel: OpenAI, Anthropic, and SpaceX Are Today's Metas and Googles
“And I think in, you know, OpenAI and Anthropic and SpaceX, we're seeing that already. Like these are the Metas and the Googles of our era, highly likely.”
Lemkin: Meta invested $900M in CRED to hire WhatsApp head Kunal Shah
“Zuck also just paid essentially nine hundred million dollars to hire a head for WhatsApp, right? By investing nine hundred million dollars into cred, right?”
O'Driscoll: AI capex spending will be stopped by demand, not supply
“This isn't, this spending isn't going to stop because the supply side says stop. Facebook aren't going to say stop. Google isn't going to say stop. Microsoft isn't going to say stop. Really, it boils down to the demand side. As long as, and enterprise customer…”
Mignano: Suno has unlimited upside potential like YouTube or TikTok
“So we believe that Suno has, you know, I'm using this term loosely, but unlimited upside potential. You know, if you look back at the history of media on the internet, and you think about the generational platforms that truly democratized a medium, right? YouT…”
Some Meta engineers spend $10 million annually on AI coding tools
“There are real engineers in meta and in other companies spending like ten million a year per engineer on, on, on, on these, you know, coding tools.”
Meta Paused Mercor Relationship After Hack While Other Labs Expanded
“I mean, I think that Meta you know, like, currently the relationship is still paused. Every other one of the Frontier Labs has grown their relationship with us since and the company has been crushing it but they're the only one that is paused, which is public.”
Cliff Weitzman: Meta is one of the most underrated stocks right now
“Yeah, I think Meta is one of the most underrated stocks right now.”
Weitzman: Meta is completely eating Snapchat's lunch
“I think they're overpaying creators, left, right, and center. And I just think that the lunch is completely eaten by meta at this point.”
O'Driscoll: Manus-style cross-border tech acquisitions will never happen again
“What it really is doing is it's less about getting this thing back than it's preventing it from ever happening again. That's the first, last, and only one of these deals that anyone will do, right?”
O'Driscoll: Zero chance VCs return capital from blocked Manus deal
“The investors who've gotten their capital out, the chances of them having to or being willing to return that capital are zero.”
Lemkin: Google Search, Facebook, and Instagram are stronger than ever
“Fast forward today. These are record growth businesses now, right? Google search. We started the show talking about AI overviews and other things. Google search is a better business than it has ever been as is Facebook and Instagram.”
O'Driscoll: Meta lost $70B on VR after making $100B+ on Instagram
“Yeah, I mean, if you look at the, if you look at the big play scoreboard for that, it's like, bet a billion on Instagram, win a hundred billion plus, maybe four hundred billion. Bet seventy billion on Meta and VRAR, lose it all.”
Lemkin: Meta and Atlassian layoffs are voluntary, not financially forced
“Neither of these companies has to lay off anybody. Okay. Atlassian has substantial free cashflow meta. I don't know. They're in the, their free cashflow is dip, but it's still like in the mid forties, right? They don't have to do this.”
O'Driscoll: Meta will lay off employees to fund Nvidia hardware purchases
“And that depreciation is going to start hitting, and they're going to be firing people because they need to give it to Jensen.”
O'Driscoll: Meta's free cash flow is near zero after accounting for CapEx
“Their operating margins are still 40%. The free cash flow, when you honestly account for the capex, is almost zero, right?”
Jerry Murdock: Meta rejected Nvidia GPUs to bet on custom ASIC chips
“I mean, look, you know, a lot of people like to criticize meta here and there about being behind the game, but they had the balls to say no to Jensen. Sorry, Jensen. We don't need you. So why did he do that? Because he's betting on a six chips. No question abo…”
Stebbings: Meta acquired Manus for $2.5B at 25x ARR
“The price was two and a half billion dollars. It was a 25 X current ARR. They were at a hundred million of ARR, doing a hundred and twenty-five million run rate, including consumption.”
O'Driscoll: Meta and Google control 70% of all global advertising
“Facebook and Google have 70% of not just all digital advertising, but all advertising.”
Cahn: Meta's $100M AI packages stem from underperformance
“And I think that Meta, you know, these hundred million packages are coming in large part from Meta because they haven't performed as well as they thought they were going to.”
Diao: Static Meta ads convert software downloads better than video ads
“Like one example I'll share with you actually is a lot of people really want to use video content for ads these days, but it turns out that for paid social platforms like Meta, static ads still actually do a better job of converting people into downloads or pe…”
O'Driscoll: Founder Loyalty Erodes When Offered Multi-Billion-Dollar Payouts
“In the face of unprecedented wealth, I'm shocked to discover that most people behave badly. The loyalty conversation erodes pretty quickly when you're, you know, when you're into the third comma.”
Slonimski: Meta Is Overhyped Due to Worsening Ad Economics
“At the level of the channel, we don't really distinguish if it's Facebook, Instagram, or whatever, and I think it's overhyped as it's getting really tough to get to good user economics there.”
O'Driscoll: ChatGPT's real threat to Meta is stealing user attention
“The big picture comment is if you spend two hours a day on chat GPT, that's two hours a day that you are not spending on Facebook and we live and die on our attention.”
Ross: Amazon lacks AI DNA compared to Google, Meta, and Microsoft
“Amazon, I think doesn't have AI DNA. And they, like, if you compare them, so you didn't mention Meta, right? But Meta and Google always had the AI DNA, and Microsoft bought it with OpenAI, but that bought them time. Amazon still doesn't have that DNA, but they…”
Alex Schultz: Meta shifted from a falling brand to a rising brand
“We've actually moved up tremendously in terms of brand sentiment. You think where we were five years ago, and think where we are today, people don't look at this stuff, obviously I do, and we were literally a falling brand, and now we're a rising brand.”
Alex Schultz: Meta may reconsider open-sourcing extreme AI capabilities
“We've said that when it gets to the cutting edge, like the absolute cutting edge, the bleeding edge, There, we don't think you should be necessarily releasing open source, and we'll think about that. So I think at the most extreme capabilities, I don't know th…”
Alex Schultz: Meta supported Apple against UK government encryption backdoor demands
“That's why we came out in support of Apple. That's why other companies have come out in support of Apple in that situation. Despite the fact, as companies, we've had a lot of disagreements. We supported Apple in that.”
Alex Schultz: Meta is building a data center the size of Manhattan
“What we're doing in Louisiana, where we're building a data center the size of Manhattan”
O'Driscoll: Meta won't build a major business selling LLaMA APIs
“It's not that they want to open source Lama and make money off it. They won't. It's not that they want to even have an API offering of Lama, something like, you know, a, an anthropic offering that just won't be big.”
O'Driscoll: Meta's Oculus acquisition and $60B VR spend was awful
“In one cynical sense, you know, the Oculus acquisition was awful. It was like you spend two billion, which wasn't that bad. And then you spend another sixty billion on top of it, which is pretty dreadful and you didn't get much”
Lemkin: Scale AI revenue will rapidly decline following Meta deal
“If only OpenAI is committed to maintaining that, As a partial presence, I assume the revenue will decline rapidly, right?”
O'Driscoll: Sequoia missed Facebook because Zuckerberg feared Mike Moritz replacing him
“Part of the reason that Sequoia aren't in Facebook is residual frustration with Mike Moritz for prior, you know, prior situations where they had in fact made a CEO change”
O'Driscoll: Scale AI cannot sell to LLM providers competing with Meta
“Practically speaking, it's hard to imagine an independent, viable business selling to the LLMs who are the competitors to your 49% owner, where your founder and charismatic CEO is currently working.”
O'Driscoll: Meta took 49% non-voting Scale AI stake for $14 billion
“Facebook slash Meta announced a fascinating transaction whereby they, that definitely is a bit of a head scratcher, whereby they invested fourteen billion into scale AI, took 49% non-voting control, allowed the other investors to literally take that money back…”
Ross: DeepSeek Used Better Training Data Than Meta Via OpenAI Distillation
“Now, more recently, Meta has been training on more GPUs, but Meta hasn't been using as much good data as DeepSeq, because DeepSeq was doing reinforcement learning using OpenAI.”
Ross: Meta Will Not Scrape OpenAI Data Like DeepSeek Did
“The question is, are they willing to scrape open AI like DeepSeek did? And I don't think they are. I, they've been super careful on everything that they've been doing.”
Kanji: Europe is on par with the US in AI for the first time
“When you look at what's happening in AI, you got DeepMind down the road in London, you got Meta running its AI stuff in Paris, like we are for the first time ever in European history on par from the company creation or technology creation as the US in not a ni…”
Malik: Apple privacy changes killed Meta ads as a core scaling channel
“I mean, I think especially with all the latest Apple changes, I don't know how anyone is going to make Instagram or Facebook ads efficiently work at scale as like a core growth channel.”
Wang: AI generates $15 billion in incremental EBIT for Meta
“We estimate that it's not just delivering revenue. I think it's already delivering about fifteen billion of incremental EBIT, EBIT for Meta, right?”
Kaz Nejatian: Meta's worst mistake was neglecting external public relations
“The worst decision Meta probably made was Not being more publicly celebratory of Mark personally and Meta generally. I think Meta allowed, because the company was so focused on execution internally, it didn't spend that much time worrying about its reputation …”
Mollick: Meta open-sources AI models to spoil competitors' businesses
“So Meta doesn't really want to make money from models. So they're going to spoil, you know, their rivals, right?”
Uber, Airbnb, Meta, and Revolut didn't use event tracking early on
“I actually think that if you look at Uber, Airbnb, Meta, they don't use events, or at least not in the early days. We didn't use events at Revolut.”
Srinivas: Meta's integration of AI search into WhatsApp is flawed
“I have. It's not the right way to do it. Why? I'm not going to WhatsApp to search for anything. I'm going to WhatsApp to text people or reply to my WhatsApp.”
Srinivas: Competing with OpenAI on base models is a terrible arena
“If there are companies that are working on Foundation model competitor to OpenAI. It is definitely like one of the worst arenas to be part of. Almost like I think there are five men standing today sort of thing. Google, and Anthropic, Meta Mistral, and you can…”
Schroepfer: Meta's early AI lab built the skills that powered Llama
“We built an AI lab at Meta and it was kind of like, huh, this AI thing is going to be pretty big. Let's like start building the skill set. And that's why you see Meta doing Lama now and a bunch of other things, because they, we had all the people, we had all t…”