Brad Miller

4 appearances on the record.

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Assertion Supported
Awareness Tech Founders Used Sale Proceeds to Start Quest Nutrition
“The founders, I may have told you this, went on to take that money and start a billion dollar company called Quest Nutrition.”
Brad Miller Mar 23, 2021 ▶ 3:22 The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited

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Miller: Ad Returns Dropped 50% After TZP Outsourced PPC
“And so their returns on the advertising Went from what they were to half of what they used to be.”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 4:37 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
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SVB Refused to Lend to Miller Because He Lacked VC Backers
“They were one of our banks, but they never lent us money. We flowed all our credit cards through them. And, ah, they would come to us all the time and ask if we wanted to borrow money from them. We'd say, sure. And, you know, we were the only company they had …”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 14:54 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
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Miller: Post-exit, Awareness Technologies' revenue will halve to $10M in 2022
“The business will do ten million in revenue this year.”
Brad Miller Oct 13, 2022 ▶ 16:54 Masters of Debt: How to buy a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grow to $20m, Then Flip for a Huge Gain
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Miller: Awareness Technologies' new owners defaulted on debt payments in 2022
“They haven't made a bank payment or an interest payment since March, and they might not for quite a while.”
Brad Miller Oct 13, 2022 ▶ 20:47 Masters of Debt: How to buy a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grow to $20m, Then Flip for a Huge Gain
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Bootstrapped Proptech Beat Chicago Rivals Who Raised $80M in Venture Capital
“Had a hundred buildings in Chicago, and all the other competitors had raised 20 to eighty million dollars, and they were all based in Chicago, too, but he had the number one market share, and I'm like, how, how is that possible that in their backyard, you're k…”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 11:44 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
Opinion
Miller: PE Firms Would Rather 'Burn in Hell' Than Admit Mistakes
“I can guarantee you that was the last thing. They would rather burn in hell hanging by their, you know, by their ankles than they would come back and say, I screwed up.”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 20:45 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
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Miller: Acquired competitor Variato for $3.5M after initial $19M valuation
“We started a negotiation where we were going to pay them. Nineteen million dollars on it. Then they were doing twelve million of revenue. But by the time we close the deal, they were on a Eight million dollar run rate, and they had run out of money, and they c…”
Brad Miller Oct 13, 2022 ▶ 10:20 Masters of Debt: How to buy a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grow to $20m, Then Flip for a Huge Gain
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Miller: Investors injected another $3M into Awareness Technologies
“The VC has put in another three million bucks to fund, so it's not only not making six, they're actually losing money”
Brad Miller Oct 13, 2022 ▶ 21:05 Masters of Debt: How to buy a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grow to $20m, Then Flip for a Huge Gain
Opinion
SVB Refused to Lend Without VC Backing Despite Strong Cash Flow
“SVB wouldn't touch us because we didn't have, like, a traditional VC in the deal. They would rather fund a company that's losing money with a brand name VC than, you know, they don't do cash flow lending.”
Brad Miller Mar 23, 2021 ▶ 14:20 The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited
Opinion
Miller: Unmonitored departing employees often steal client lists and pricing data
“When I go to find my next job, chances are I will pull off a client list and all the information about what they have, how much they pay, when they're up for renewal and that would be devastating to a company if their employees, when they left to go to a compe…”
Brad Miller Apr 24, 2020 ▶ 3:07 1735 Smarter to Buy vs Build, He bought Company for $10m, Now doing $20m in ARR 3 years later
Disclosure
Miller's Acquired SaaS Shrank From $20M to $12M Under PE Ownership
“The company two years later is half its size. It was at the time when I sold it doing twenty million in, in revenue and six in profit, and I believe it's like 12 and Two. Something along those lines.”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 2:01 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
Insight
Miller: SaaS acquisitions should break even immediately on customer acquisition
“It's a reasonable question, but we looked at it as we wanted, we had an immediate sale, and if we could make it, if we spent a dollar, can make a dollar, then we knew that all renewals were profit after that. So we didn't have to invest any money. If we could …”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 4:57 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
Disclosure
Miller: Grew $3M Majority Proptech Buyout to $7M in Revenue
“So I bought 51% for three million. And now the business is doing seven million.”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 12:30 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
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Brad Miller: Outstanding debt did not affect SaaS company exit
“It did not at all. They just viewed it as an enterprise value and, you know, whether they wrote the check to me or the bank didn't matter to them.”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 19:13 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
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Bank Denied Miller a $10M Loan but Happily Approved His Acquirer
“When I went and asked them for ten million, they laughed at me, but when the new buyer, they, but they could get comfortable with five or six, but when the new buyer came in and said, we want ten million, they had no problem”
Brad Miller Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 19:26 Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped for a Huge Gain
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Miller: Converting Awareness Tech to SaaS added $2M profit overnight
“And so we converted the business From a one-time payment to a subscription, and that added two million dollars of revenue overnight. So it went from five million to seven million, and as all that revenue was profit, the business went from losing a million to m…”
Brad Miller Oct 13, 2022 ▶ 3:08 Masters of Debt: How to buy a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grow to $20m, Then Flip for a Huge Gain
Disclosure
Miller: Turned down 10% of Quest Bar before its $1B exit
“So to shut me up, they offered me 10% in their new venture, which was a protein bar company. Don't ask me why. they were bodybuilders. And I was like, I, the world does not need another protein bar company that they later sold it for a billion dollars.”
Brad Miller Oct 13, 2022 ▶ 3:36 Masters of Debt: How to buy a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grow to $20m, Then Flip for a Huge Gain
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Miller: Awareness Tech exited for $35M in 2020 after turnaround
“They went from losing money to making two million dollars, and so we were before we bought them, we were you know, a twelve million dollar business making four at this point, and they added they were eight and two now, and so now we were 26, and then we said, …”
Brad Miller Oct 13, 2022 ▶ 12:30 Masters of Debt: How to buy a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grow to $20m, Then Flip for a Huge Gain
Assertion Supported
Awareness Tech Founders Used Sale Proceeds to Start Quest Nutrition
“The founders, I may have told you this, went on to take that money and start a billion dollar company called Quest Nutrition.”
Brad Miller Mar 23, 2021 ▶ 3:22 The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited
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Switching Awareness Tech to Subscriptions Turned $1M Loss Into $1M Profit
“And but the business when I bought it was doing, you know, sort of five Five million losing a million. And even though it was structured as a SAS cloud delivery model, they were only charging a one time fee, though providing service and cloud forever. And so t…”
Brad Miller Mar 23, 2021 ▶ 3:34 The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited
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VC-Backed Competitor Collapsed to $3M Loss Before Brad Miller Acquired It
“Two VCs bought it for forty-five million, and they And the business went from doing fifteen million making six to doing seven million losing three when we bought it.”
Brad Miller Mar 23, 2021 ▶ 6:43 The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited
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Brad Miller Closed Competitor Acquisition in Three Weeks to Save Payroll
“And so we did a deal literally in three weeks because they weren't going to meet payroll.”
Brad Miller Mar 23, 2021 ▶ 10:07 The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited
Disclosure
Brad Miller Bought Distressed Competitor for Zero Cash Upfront
“We were able to basically buy it by taking over that two million dollar line of credit, and then pay the investment banker fees and lawyer fees that they couldn't afford to pay because there was no cash changing hands.”
Brad Miller Mar 23, 2021 ▶ 10:33 The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited
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Brad Miller's Total Exit and Dividends Reached Nearly $50 Million
“The combination of the dividends and the price was just shy of 50, of just shy of fifty million.”
Brad Miller Mar 23, 2021 ▶ 12:07 The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited

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Appearances (4)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Masters of Debt: How I bought a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grew to $20m, Then Flipped fo Dec 14, 2023 12m
Masters of Debt: How to buy a $5m SaaS Company Using Debt, Grow to $20m, Then Flip for a H Oct 13, 2022 14m
The Capital Efficient Founder: $2m in, $12m dividends out, Just Exited Mar 23, 2021 9m
1735 Smarter to Buy vs Build, He bought Company for $10m, Now doing $20m in ARR 3 years la Apr 24, 2020 11m
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