Jun 6, 2016 · 20m · top-founders

From 0 to 20,000,000 Users and a $150,000,000 Exit to Under Armour, EP 261: Robin Thurston

Robin Thurston · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 8m spoken
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In this episode of The Top, host Nathan Latka interviews MapMyFitness founder Robin Thurston to discuss how the fitness platform scaled organically to 20 million users and achieved a $150 million acquisition by Under Armour.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 46.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.6 Guest teaching 2.8 Guest disagreement 1.2 Nathan pushing back 1.8
05100:0010:0020:002:16–5:09 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Founding MapMyRide and Strategic Domain Expansion Nathan inquires into Robin's technical background and hiring tactics. Robin clarifies that despite being on the business side, he had deep product and enterprise mapping experience.5:11–7:20 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Monetization Strategy and Scaling to Under Armour Acquisition Nathan presses on monthly recurring revenue and trailing numbers, while Robin explains that Under Armour acquired them for community and audience rather than their existing revenue streams.7:21–12:48 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Organic Customer Acquisition and User Economics Nathan drills into valuation mechanics, asking specifically about Series D term sheets, pre-money valuations, and whether competitors like Nike placed bids. Robin details the organic acquisition engine and direct M&A negotiation with Kevin Plank.12:52–16:01 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Final Pre-Exit Financial Metrics and Social Links Nathan swiftly extracts financial fundamentals including employee headcount, monthly burn, and total capital raised before transitioning into mid-roll sponsor spots.16:02–18:52 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Robin Thurston Nathan runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, and Robin provides succinct answers about books, sleep tracking, and career lessons before Nathan's episode summary.2:16–5:09 · Guest teaching 3/10 Founding MapMyRide and Strategic Domain Expansion Nathan inquires into Robin's technical background and hiring tactics. Robin clarifies that despite being on the business side, he had deep product and enterprise mapping experience.5:11–7:20 · Guest teaching 4/10 Monetization Strategy and Scaling to Under Armour Acquisition Nathan presses on monthly recurring revenue and trailing numbers, while Robin explains that Under Armour acquired them for community and audience rather than their existing revenue streams.7:21–12:48 · Guest teaching 3/10 Organic Customer Acquisition and User Economics Nathan drills into valuation mechanics, asking specifically about Series D term sheets, pre-money valuations, and whether competitors like Nike placed bids. Robin details the organic acquisition engine and direct M&A negotiation with Kevin Plank.12:52–16:01 · Guest teaching 2/10 Final Pre-Exit Financial Metrics and Social Links Nathan swiftly extracts financial fundamentals including employee headcount, monthly burn, and total capital raised before transitioning into mid-roll sponsor spots.16:02–18:52 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Robin Thurston Nathan runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, and Robin provides succinct answers about books, sleep tracking, and career lessons before Nathan's episode summary.2:16–5:09 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Founding MapMyRide and Strategic Domain Expansion Nathan inquires into Robin's technical background and hiring tactics. Robin clarifies that despite being on the business side, he had deep product and enterprise mapping experience.5:11–7:20 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Monetization Strategy and Scaling to Under Armour Acquisition Nathan presses on monthly recurring revenue and trailing numbers, while Robin explains that Under Armour acquired them for community and audience rather than their existing revenue streams.7:21–12:48 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Organic Customer Acquisition and User Economics Nathan drills into valuation mechanics, asking specifically about Series D term sheets, pre-money valuations, and whether competitors like Nike placed bids. Robin details the organic acquisition engine and direct M&A negotiation with Kevin Plank.12:52–16:01 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Final Pre-Exit Financial Metrics and Social Links Nathan swiftly extracts financial fundamentals including employee headcount, monthly burn, and total capital raised before transitioning into mid-roll sponsor spots.16:02–18:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Robin Thurston Nathan runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, and Robin provides succinct answers about books, sleep tracking, and career lessons before Nathan's episode summary.2:16–5:09 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Founding MapMyRide and Strategic Domain Expansion Nathan inquires into Robin's technical background and hiring tactics. Robin clarifies that despite being on the business side, he had deep product and enterprise mapping experience.5:11–7:20 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Monetization Strategy and Scaling to Under Armour Acquisition Nathan presses on monthly recurring revenue and trailing numbers, while Robin explains that Under Armour acquired them for community and audience rather than their existing revenue streams.7:21–12:48 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Organic Customer Acquisition and User Economics Nathan drills into valuation mechanics, asking specifically about Series D term sheets, pre-money valuations, and whether competitors like Nike placed bids. Robin details the organic acquisition engine and direct M&A negotiation with Kevin Plank.12:52–16:01 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Final Pre-Exit Financial Metrics and Social Links Nathan swiftly extracts financial fundamentals including employee headcount, monthly burn, and total capital raised before transitioning into mid-roll sponsor spots.16:02–18:52 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Robin Thurston Nathan runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, and Robin provides succinct answers about books, sleep tracking, and career lessons before Nathan's episode summary.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 68.6% · guest 31.4%0:00 · Nathan 68.6% · guest 31.4%3:00 · Nathan 22.9% · guest 77.1%3:00 · Nathan 22.9% · guest 77.1%6:00 · Nathan 23.1% · guest 76.9%6:00 · Nathan 23.1% · guest 76.9%9:00 · Nathan 17.1% · guest 82.9%9:00 · Nathan 17.1% · guest 82.9%12:00 · Nathan 59% · guest 41%12:00 · Nathan 59% · guest 41%15:00 · Nathan 68.7% · guest 31.3%15:00 · Nathan 68.7% · guest 31.3%18:00 · Nathan 79.1% · guest 20.9%18:00 · Nathan 79.1% · guest 20.9%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 11:44 Robin rejects Nathan's dating manipulation framing

When Nathan suggests Under Armour's CEO intentionally delayed calling to gain leverage, Robin directly rejects the narrative, explaining Kevin Plank was constantly calling eagerly.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 10:24 Nathan presses for exact Series D pre-money metrics

Nathan refuses to accept a vague fundraising range and insists on establishing the exact pre-money valuation target versus post-money capital raised.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:58 Robin educates Nathan on why Under Armour acquired them

Robin reframes Nathan's revenue-centric lens by revealing that Under Armour prioritized community scale and digital capability over immediate SaaS and ad revenue.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 10:35 Nathan demonstrates mastery of venture capital math

Nathan immediately calculates and articulates the full capital structure and post-money valuation based on Robin's target raise numbers.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Founding MapMyRide and Strategic Domain Expansion 5311 Nathan inquires into Robin's technical background and hiring tactics. Robin clarifies that despite being on the business side, he had deep product and enterprise mapping experience.
Monetization Strategy and Scaling to Under Armour Acquisition 6412 Nathan presses on monthly recurring revenue and trailing numbers, while Robin explains that Under Armour acquired them for community and audience rather than their existing revenue streams.
Organic Customer Acquisition and User Economics 7323 Nathan drills into valuation mechanics, asking specifically about Series D term sheets, pre-money valuations, and whether competitors like Nike placed bids. Robin details the organic acquisition engine and direct M&A negotiation with Kevin Plank.
Final Pre-Exit Financial Metrics and Social Links 5212 Nathan swiftly extracts financial fundamentals including employee headcount, monthly burn, and total capital raised before transitioning into mid-roll sponsor spots.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Robin Thurston 5211 Nathan runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, and Robin provides succinct answers about books, sleep tracking, and career lessons before Nathan's episode summary.

Statements from this episode (16)

Assertion Supported
MapMyFitness reached 20 million users before its Under Armour exit
“So, you know, he created a little company called Map My Fitness, ok, grew it to over twenty million, ok, twenty million users, and then exited to Under Armour, where he now serves as Senior Vice President.”
Nathan Latka Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 1:27
Assertion Not checkable as stated
MapMyFitness owned 250 activity-specific domain names, including MapMyBeerCrawl
“We actually had, like, at the end, we had 200 and 50 domains. Like, we had Map My Beer Crawl, and Map My Horseback Riding, and we had all these domains.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 4:51
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
MapMyFitness apps were numbers 97 and 101 in the Apple App Store
“We actually had about a million users on the web even before the iPhone launched, but map my run and map my ride were app number 97 in the store and number one oh one.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 5:16
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
MapMyFitness generated $5M in SaaS API licensing revenue before exiting
“So we also had a SaaS business when Under Armour bought us that was, you know, it was significant. It was, you know, five plus million dollars in SaaS revenue that we had built off the top of the platform.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 6:23
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
MapMyFitness generated $17M in trailing revenue when acquired by Under Armour
“We had an advertising business when Under Armour bought us, I think it's public. We were about seventeen million in revenue.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 6:38
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Under Armour ignored MapMyFitness revenue, buying it purely for the user community
“It wasn't, they didn't even care about the revenue. Under Armour was like, we don't really care about any of those businesses. Like, we want to build a community. We have a vision around health and fitness.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 6:58
Assertion Not checkable as stated
MapMyFitness generated $5 US monthly ARPU versus under $0.30 internationally
“We were doing, I think we were roughly about five bucks per user in the U.S. And less than 30 cents outside the U.S.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 7:34
Assertion Not checkable as stated
MapMyFitness acquired 100% of its users organically without paid ad spend
“So, you know, we never really spent any money on acquisition. So we were very, very lucky to acquire, you know, really a hundred percent of our user base through organic, you know, sort of connections.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 8:16
Disclosure
MapMyFitness planned a $50M to $100M Series D before exiting
“We were kind of in the process of looking at raising 50 to a hundred million and kind of rolling up some of the market and going after it in a bigger way. We had a number of VC firms that had basically come to us looking to do that series D.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 9:14
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Under Armour CEO Kevin Plank initiated acquisition talks as an active user
“Kevin Plank called me in the middle of the whole thing. He called me. He was a user of map my run using it three days a week. And he basically originally just called, he was like, what are you doing with the business?”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 9:29
Disclosure
MapMyFitness sought a $200M to $250M pre-money valuation before its exit
“We were trying to raise over 200. So like we were pretty set on that, that number had to be two to two 50.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 10:35
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Under Armour had only 20 software engineers total in 2013
“Under Armour was, you know, what Kevin will say is that they were in this moment where, like, they only had about 20 engineers in the entire company. Most of them were e-commerce because they had a fairly, you know, fairly large e-commerce business in 13.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 11:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Under Armour announced its MapMyFitness acquisition under three months after initial contact
“We literally, day, day Kevin called me to basically the public announcement, which was not the actual close date, but the public announcement for a public company is a very important date. It was less than three months.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 12:34
Assertion Not checkable as stated
MapMyFitness had 103 employees before being acquired by Under Armour
“We were a 103 employees.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 12:58
Assertion Not checkable as stated
MapMyFitness burned $200,000 to $300,000 monthly prior to its acquisition
“We were getting, like, I would say maybe 200 K, 300 K. It wasn't a terrible burn.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 13:04
Assertion Partly supported
MapMyFitness raised $21M in total funding prior to its exit
“A, B. 20, twenty-one million.”
Robin Thurston Jun 6, 2016 ▶ 13:25
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