Oct 1, 2016 · 27m · top-founders

EP 435: Consultant does BIG league $600k Last Year, Now Has Unique Model and Coffee with Brad Costanzo

Brad Costanzo · 16m spoken Nathan Latka · 8m spoken
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In episode 435 of The Top podcast, host Nathan Latka interviews entrepreneur and consultant Brad Costanzo, who details his digital business exits, how he scaled his marketing consultancy past $500,000, launching his e-commerce brand Stiletto Coffee, and using podcasting as a networking engine.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 32.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.0 Guest teaching 2.4 Guest disagreement 0.9 Nathan pushing back 2.7
05100:0010:0020:000:49–4:33 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Episode Overview, Send Later Acquisition, and Show Previews Nathan presses Brad on his prior digital business sales, probing into specific names, sale prices, and valuations despite Brad repeatedly citing NDAs. Brad politely clarifies that his dating advice business was just teaching magic tricks rather than pick-up artistry.4:33–9:45 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Consulting Business Model, Retainer Growth, and Agency Team Nathan presses Brad to reveal historical revenue numbers and target projections, teasing him about remembering his 2013 launch figures. Brad openly explains his retainer and profit-share consulting model and target numbers.9:47–15:20 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Case Study on Funnel Optimization and Physical Tripwires Nathan critiques complex sales funnels while inspecting client websites in real-time. Brad schools Nathan on why physical DVD tripwires surprisingly outperform digital trials for older real estate demographic audiences.15:20–21:21 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Launching Stiletto Coffee Through Story Selling and Branding Brad explains launching Stiletto Coffee using Eugene Schwartz's five levels of market sophistication and emotional branding. Nathan engages collaboratively, pitching humorous PR angles involving political figures.21:21–23:37 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Sponsor Spotlight on Hiring Vetted Developers Through Toptal The segment includes a Toptal sponsor read followed by a brief discussion about Brad's podcast downloads and networking strategy, where Brad explains using the show as an outreach vehicle.23:38–26:12 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions and Personal Success Principles During the Famous Five rapid-fire, Brad references MindMeister and Nathan demonstrates host expertise by citing an interview with MindMeister's CEO along with their specific revenue and user metrics.26:12–27:02 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Episode Recap, Guest Promotion, and Next Episode Teaser Nathan concludes the episode with a quick monologue summarizing Brad's consulting business metrics and promoting the upcoming episode.0:49–4:33 · Guest teaching 2/10 Episode Overview, Send Later Acquisition, and Show Previews Nathan presses Brad on his prior digital business sales, probing into specific names, sale prices, and valuations despite Brad repeatedly citing NDAs. Brad politely clarifies that his dating advice business was just teaching magic tricks rather than pick-up artistry.4:33–9:45 · Guest teaching 2/10 Consulting Business Model, Retainer Growth, and Agency Team Nathan presses Brad to reveal historical revenue numbers and target projections, teasing him about remembering his 2013 launch figures. Brad openly explains his retainer and profit-share consulting model and target numbers.9:47–15:20 · Guest teaching 5/10 Case Study on Funnel Optimization and Physical Tripwires Nathan critiques complex sales funnels while inspecting client websites in real-time. Brad schools Nathan on why physical DVD tripwires surprisingly outperform digital trials for older real estate demographic audiences.15:20–21:21 · Guest teaching 4/10 Launching Stiletto Coffee Through Story Selling and Branding Brad explains launching Stiletto Coffee using Eugene Schwartz's five levels of market sophistication and emotional branding. Nathan engages collaboratively, pitching humorous PR angles involving political figures.21:21–23:37 · Guest teaching 1/10 Sponsor Spotlight on Hiring Vetted Developers Through Toptal The segment includes a Toptal sponsor read followed by a brief discussion about Brad's podcast downloads and networking strategy, where Brad explains using the show as an outreach vehicle.23:38–26:12 · Guest teaching 3/10 Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions and Personal Success Principles During the Famous Five rapid-fire, Brad references MindMeister and Nathan demonstrates host expertise by citing an interview with MindMeister's CEO along with their specific revenue and user metrics.26:12–27:02 · Guest teaching 0/10 Episode Recap, Guest Promotion, and Next Episode Teaser Nathan concludes the episode with a quick monologue summarizing Brad's consulting business metrics and promoting the upcoming episode.0:49–4:33 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Episode Overview, Send Later Acquisition, and Show Previews Nathan presses Brad on his prior digital business sales, probing into specific names, sale prices, and valuations despite Brad repeatedly citing NDAs. Brad politely clarifies that his dating advice business was just teaching magic tricks rather than pick-up artistry.4:33–9:45 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Consulting Business Model, Retainer Growth, and Agency Team Nathan presses Brad to reveal historical revenue numbers and target projections, teasing him about remembering his 2013 launch figures. Brad openly explains his retainer and profit-share consulting model and target numbers.9:47–15:20 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Case Study on Funnel Optimization and Physical Tripwires Nathan critiques complex sales funnels while inspecting client websites in real-time. Brad schools Nathan on why physical DVD tripwires surprisingly outperform digital trials for older real estate demographic audiences.15:20–21:21 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Launching Stiletto Coffee Through Story Selling and Branding Brad explains launching Stiletto Coffee using Eugene Schwartz's five levels of market sophistication and emotional branding. Nathan engages collaboratively, pitching humorous PR angles involving political figures.21:21–23:37 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sponsor Spotlight on Hiring Vetted Developers Through Toptal The segment includes a Toptal sponsor read followed by a brief discussion about Brad's podcast downloads and networking strategy, where Brad explains using the show as an outreach vehicle.23:38–26:12 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions and Personal Success Principles During the Famous Five rapid-fire, Brad references MindMeister and Nathan demonstrates host expertise by citing an interview with MindMeister's CEO along with their specific revenue and user metrics.26:12–27:02 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Episode Recap, Guest Promotion, and Next Episode Teaser Nathan concludes the episode with a quick monologue summarizing Brad's consulting business metrics and promoting the upcoming episode.0:49–4:33 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Episode Overview, Send Later Acquisition, and Show Previews Nathan presses Brad on his prior digital business sales, probing into specific names, sale prices, and valuations despite Brad repeatedly citing NDAs. Brad politely clarifies that his dating advice business was just teaching magic tricks rather than pick-up artistry.4:33–9:45 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Consulting Business Model, Retainer Growth, and Agency Team Nathan presses Brad to reveal historical revenue numbers and target projections, teasing him about remembering his 2013 launch figures. Brad openly explains his retainer and profit-share consulting model and target numbers.9:47–15:20 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Case Study on Funnel Optimization and Physical Tripwires Nathan critiques complex sales funnels while inspecting client websites in real-time. Brad schools Nathan on why physical DVD tripwires surprisingly outperform digital trials for older real estate demographic audiences.15:20–21:21 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Launching Stiletto Coffee Through Story Selling and Branding Brad explains launching Stiletto Coffee using Eugene Schwartz's five levels of market sophistication and emotional branding. Nathan engages collaboratively, pitching humorous PR angles involving political figures.21:21–23:37 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Sponsor Spotlight on Hiring Vetted Developers Through Toptal The segment includes a Toptal sponsor read followed by a brief discussion about Brad's podcast downloads and networking strategy, where Brad explains using the show as an outreach vehicle.23:38–26:12 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions and Personal Success Principles During the Famous Five rapid-fire, Brad references MindMeister and Nathan demonstrates host expertise by citing an interview with MindMeister's CEO along with their specific revenue and user metrics.26:12–27:02 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Episode Recap, Guest Promotion, and Next Episode Teaser Nathan concludes the episode with a quick monologue summarizing Brad's consulting business metrics and promoting the upcoming episode.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 74.6% · guest 25.4%0:00 · Nathan 74.6% · guest 25.4%3:00 · Nathan 13.9% · guest 86.1%3:00 · Nathan 13.9% · guest 86.1%6:00 · Nathan 21.5% · guest 78.5%6:00 · Nathan 21.5% · guest 78.5%9:00 · Nathan 20.1% · guest 79.9%9:00 · Nathan 20.1% · guest 79.9%12:00 · Nathan 18.9% · guest 81.1%12:00 · Nathan 18.9% · guest 81.1%15:00 · Nathan 8.7% · guest 91.3%15:00 · Nathan 8.7% · guest 91.3%18:00 · Nathan 30.9% · guest 69.1%18:00 · Nathan 30.9% · guest 69.1%21:00 · Nathan 56.1% · guest 43.9%21:00 · Nathan 56.1% · guest 43.9%24:00 · Nathan 48.8% · guest 51.2%24:00 · Nathan 48.8% · guest 51.2%27:00 · Nathan 100% · guest 0%27:00 · Nathan 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 2:39 Reframing the dating advice business

Brad rejects Nathan's framing that he was part of the pickup artist community, clarifying he merely created magic trick tutorials as an informational add-on.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 6:22 Host pressing for launch revenue

When Brad claims he cannot remember his 2013 revenue, Nathan pushes back directly, demanding the baseline number and calling it a badge entrepreneurs should know.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:14 Why DVD tripwires outperform digital SaaS trials

When Nathan expresses incredulity that anyone still buys DVDs, Brad educates him on older demographic behavior in the real estate niche where physical DVDs convert far better than cheap digital software trials.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 24:53 Recalling exact MindMeister platform metrics

Nathan displays deep industry knowledge and podcast archive recall by instantly reciting MindMeister's exact MRR and 5 million user base from an interview he did the previous month.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Episode Overview, Send Later Acquisition, and Show Previews 4214 Nathan presses Brad on his prior digital business sales, probing into specific names, sale prices, and valuations despite Brad repeatedly citing NDAs. Brad politely clarifies that his dating advice business was just teaching magic tricks rather than pick-up artistry.
Consulting Business Model, Retainer Growth, and Agency Team 5215 Nathan presses Brad to reveal historical revenue numbers and target projections, teasing him about remembering his 2013 launch figures. Brad openly explains his retainer and profit-share consulting model and target numbers.
Case Study on Funnel Optimization and Physical Tripwires 6524 Nathan critiques complex sales funnels while inspecting client websites in real-time. Brad schools Nathan on why physical DVD tripwires surprisingly outperform digital trials for older real estate demographic audiences.
Launching Stiletto Coffee Through Story Selling and Branding 5413 Brad explains launching Stiletto Coffee using Eugene Schwartz's five levels of market sophistication and emotional branding. Nathan engages collaboratively, pitching humorous PR angles involving political figures.
Sponsor Spotlight on Hiring Vetted Developers Through Toptal 3101 The segment includes a Toptal sponsor read followed by a brief discussion about Brad's podcast downloads and networking strategy, where Brad explains using the show as an outreach vehicle.
Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions and Personal Success Principles 5312 During the Famous Five rapid-fire, Brad references MindMeister and Nathan demonstrates host expertise by citing an interview with MindMeister's CEO along with their specific revenue and user metrics.
Episode Recap, Guest Promotion, and Next Episode Teaser 0000 Nathan concludes the episode with a quick monologue summarizing Brad's consulting business metrics and promoting the upcoming episode.

Statements from this episode (9)

Prediction Didn’t hold up
Latka: I will take Send Later public by age 30
“I will build, send later, and do a big business, and I will take it public by the time I turn 30.”
Nathan Latka Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 1:16
Disclosure
Costanzo: Sold info-product publishing LLC for mid-six figures
“I'm under NDA, but I can say mid six figures.”
Brad Costanzo Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 3:25
Disclosure
Costanzo: Sold GPS voice company PigTones for under $100K
“Yeah, we didn't sell that for a whole lot of money.”
Brad Costanzo Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 4:26
Disclosure
Costanzo: Consulting business reached mid-six-figure revenue in 2015
“Last year revenue was mid six figures.”
Brad Costanzo Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 7:22
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Costanzo: Managed $100K to $150K monthly paid ad budget for REWW
“So, you know, we were spending a hundred, a 150,000 dollars a month in paid media across multiple different channels.”
Brad Costanzo Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 11:10
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Costanzo: Physical DVDs outperformed free software trials in conversion tests
“The other thing we started to play with, and amazingly, it did not convert as well as the DVD tripwire, was either a free or a seven dollar trial into the software that he ultimately wanted to sell.”
Brad Costanzo Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 14:51
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Costanzo: Stiletto Coffee has generated under $20,000 since launch
“I want to say it's under just under 20,000 dollars throughout the entire thing.”
Brad Costanzo Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 18:20
Insight
Costanzo: Selling taste-based consumables via Facebook ads alone is difficult
“It is hard to sell a consumable product that's totally based on taste through like just a Facebook ad.”
Brad Costanzo Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 18:48
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Costanzo: Bacon Wrapped Business gets ~3,000 downloads per episode, ~500k total
“I'm getting about 3000 downloads per episode, I want to say. I want to say I'm probably right around the half million mark or so.”
Brad Costanzo Oct 1, 2016 ▶ 22:51
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