Oct 28, 2016 · 21m · top-founders
EP 461: $2m Raised, SpokenLayer Turning Blogs Into Audio Content with CEO Will Mayo
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In this episode of The Top, host Nathan Latka interviews Will Mayo, founder and CEO of SpokenLayer, examining how the company converts written content from major digital publishers into short-form spoken audio editions using a hybrid SaaS and programmatic advertising model.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 43.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Nathan as informed peer 3.7 Guest teaching 3.3 Guest disagreement 2.0 Nathan pushing back 3.7
speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 6:29 Mayo refuses Latka's demand for pricing disclosure
Mayo politely but firmly rejects Latka's direct demand to share concrete customer pricing figures, maintaining corporate confidentiality despite Latka's warning.
Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 6:33 Latka warns Mayo about being too vagueLatka halts the discussion to tell Mayo directly that being evasive and speaking in generalities hurts his credibility and marketing appeal to listeners.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:17 Mayo explains editorial criteria for audio adaptabilityMayo breaks down the exact linguistic structures that succeed in audio, educating Latka on why personal opinion writing translates while traditional news reporting fails.
Nathan holds their own ▶ 9:36 Latka reframes opaque pricing as pure revenue maximizationLatka cuts through Mayo's positioning to clearly articulate the enterprise SaaS strategy of avoiding transparent pricing in order to negotiate maximum extractable value per lead.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Nathan as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Nathan pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Weekly Contest Announcement and Upcoming Guest Preview | 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Latka opens the show with contest housekeeping and introduces Mayo, raising the common criticism that converted blog audio sounds robotic. Mayo politely differentiates bespoke long-form podcasts from bite-sized, playlist-style spoken editions. | |
| Media Publisher Client Base and Monetization Models | 5 | 2 | 4 | 7 | Latka repeatedly pressures Mayo to disclose concrete subscription prices and partner deal sizes. When Mayo dodges and keeps figures vague, Latka directly pushes back, warning Mayo that avoiding specifics makes the interview less useful for potential clients. | |
| Founding Origins, TechCrunch Disrupt, and Seed Fundraising | 5 | 3 | 3 | 5 | Latka digs into the fundraising history and B2B pricing model, asserting that SpokenLayer hides pricing to maximize custom extraction from inbound leads. Mayo acknowledges part of the framing while defining customer disqualifiers like non-English content and small audienceless creators. | |
| Content Analysis and Script Adaptation for Spoken Audio | 4 | 6 | 2 | 4 | Latka challenges the fundamental premise of text-to-speech content, noting standard blog recitations sound robotic and boring. Mayo educates Latka on content analysis algorithms, contrasting highly effective first-person narrative pieces with ineffective inverted-pyramid articles. | |
| Team Composition, Audio Habituation, and Capital Strategy | 4 | 5 | 2 | 3 | Mayo corrects Latka's assumption about core team size and outlines his mental model for capital raising, explaining how lead investor check sizes dictate total round target sizes rather than arbitrary valuations. | |
| Sponsor Segment: HostGator Web Hosting Promotion | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Latka delivers an extended HostGator advertisement, runs through the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, and closes out the episode with recap notes. |
Statements from this episode (16)
Mayo: Spoken editions differ fundamentally from traditional long-form podcasts
“I think they're really different products. I think what podcasts are an incredibly great medium for people to create bespoke content, tell native stories, and especially in a long form sense, typically you think of a podcast as a 20, 30, 60, 90 minute experien…”
Mayo: SpokenLayer powers audio editions for about 30 media properties
“So we power spoken editions for about 30 properties or so ranging Wired, Reuters, Huffington Post, Bustle, Playboy, Skiff, Smashable, TechCrunch those are just the ones that pop off the top of my head.”
Mayo: SpokenLayer monetizes via SaaS platform fees and an ad network
“So not only some of the publishers we work with pay us as a platform in SAS fee to have a spoken edition, other publishers because of their scale work with us and we have an ad network and ad marketplace built on top of our platform that as things start to sca…”
Mayo: Ad Revenue Will Eventually Become SpokenLayer's Largest Business Component
“In the long term, we know the growth of ad revenue will be the largest component of the business”
Mayo: SpokenLayer Currently Generates Most Revenue From SaaS Subscriptions
“Right now we probably make, as a company, more revenue from the SaaS side, since we also work with non-media clients as well, enabling them to have spoken editions, whether it's a hedge fund that has reports for their traders or other types of enterprise conte…”
Mayo: SpokenLayer's enterprise SaaS contracts range in the thousands per month
“This isn't something that's a couple hundred dollars a month. It's also not something that's hundreds of thousands, but, you know, it depends on the volume of content for a partner that's only doing, you know, It could be relatively low, but for some of our pa…”
Mayo: Acquiring consumer audio users is brutal; B2B infrastructure scales better
“Acquiring customers is really hard in audio, and instead of competing with distributors and publishers who are our partners, we'd rather empower them and work with them to create a better user experience and a better distribution for them, so being behind the …”
Mayo: SpokenLayer's priced rounds are backed almost exclusively by media executives
“We've done price rounds, but everything has stayed as individuals actually almost exclusively all C-level founders or board members of top media companies.”
SpokenLayer has raised over $2M across six years
“We've raised a bit over two million dollars over the past, ah, six years.”
Mayo: SpokenLayer's enterprise customer acquisition is driven entirely by inbound sales
“Everything's inbound.”
Mayo: SpokenLayer focuses on enterprise clients with 10M+ audiences
“We've entertained it, but most of those types of partners don't have a budget to spend thousands of dollars a month to add a spoken edition, so we've really focused on clients that have, you know, 10 plus million person audiences that can Work with those audie…”
Mayo: First-person narrative content translates phenomenally well into spoken audio
“Anything written in the first person that's a personal story that's typically editorial or opinion, that is the writer saying, I believe this, I think this, I think that we should do this, or this was done wrong, is always written in a short quip sentences, ve…”
Mayo: Inverted-pyramid newspaper articles fail completely in audio format
“If it's a blanket, reverse pyramid style newspaper article, it's gonna not work at all.”
Mayo: Audio adoption is slower than video, but retention is far stronger
“Audio is a product that people, once they adopt it, they don't leave it, but the initial adoption isn't as quick as You know, a YouTube video or something like that, but once you get someone, audio builds a really strong habit, as you probably know with your a…”