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Sep 20, 2019 · 16m · top-founders

1518 Bynder Hits $48m ARR, Another Acquisition On The Way?

Chris Hall · 8m spoken
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Bynder CEO Chris Hall discusses how the digital asset management platform expanded from an agency spin-out to over $48 million in ARR, detailing their customer unit economics, venture-debt-financed acquisition of Webdam, and forward-looking M&A strategy.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 36.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.2 Guest teaching 1.8 Guest disagreement 1.0 Nathan pushing back 3.0
05100:0010:000:51–3:40 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Core Product Definition and Customer Pricing Tiers Nathan quickly computes average ACV accounting for power laws and converts euros to USD, while Chris confirms and clarifies specific funding figures.3:41–6:21 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Revenue Trajectory, Rule of 40, and Cash Flow Discipline When Chris deflects revenue growth questions toward the Rule of 40 and EBITDA, Nathan firmly redirects him to get concrete historical ARR numbers.6:22–8:59 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Navigating the Webdam Acquisition and Operational Synergies Nathan theorizes on whether scaling plateaus at higher run rates forced profitability, while Chris explains the real operational hurdles of absorbing a 90-person competitor.9:00–13:24 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Financing M&A Through Venture Debt and Bridge Loans Nathan showcases strong domain knowledge by naming specific venture debt lenders and probing bridge loan mechanics, while Chris outlines their convertible debt structure and retention dynamics.13:24–15:24 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Future M&A Strategy and Market Consolidation Opportunities Chris articulates Bynder's strategy for acquiring plateauing SaaS companies in adjacent categories before transitioning smoothly into the Famous Five closing round.0:51–3:40 · Guest teaching 2/10 Core Product Definition and Customer Pricing Tiers Nathan quickly computes average ACV accounting for power laws and converts euros to USD, while Chris confirms and clarifies specific funding figures.3:41–6:21 · Guest teaching 1/10 Revenue Trajectory, Rule of 40, and Cash Flow Discipline When Chris deflects revenue growth questions toward the Rule of 40 and EBITDA, Nathan firmly redirects him to get concrete historical ARR numbers.6:22–8:59 · Guest teaching 2/10 Navigating the Webdam Acquisition and Operational Synergies Nathan theorizes on whether scaling plateaus at higher run rates forced profitability, while Chris explains the real operational hurdles of absorbing a 90-person competitor.9:00–13:24 · Guest teaching 3/10 Financing M&A Through Venture Debt and Bridge Loans Nathan showcases strong domain knowledge by naming specific venture debt lenders and probing bridge loan mechanics, while Chris outlines their convertible debt structure and retention dynamics.13:24–15:24 · Guest teaching 1/10 Future M&A Strategy and Market Consolidation Opportunities Chris articulates Bynder's strategy for acquiring plateauing SaaS companies in adjacent categories before transitioning smoothly into the Famous Five closing round.0:51–3:40 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Core Product Definition and Customer Pricing Tiers Nathan quickly computes average ACV accounting for power laws and converts euros to USD, while Chris confirms and clarifies specific funding figures.3:41–6:21 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Revenue Trajectory, Rule of 40, and Cash Flow Discipline When Chris deflects revenue growth questions toward the Rule of 40 and EBITDA, Nathan firmly redirects him to get concrete historical ARR numbers.6:22–8:59 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Navigating the Webdam Acquisition and Operational Synergies Nathan theorizes on whether scaling plateaus at higher run rates forced profitability, while Chris explains the real operational hurdles of absorbing a 90-person competitor.9:00–13:24 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Financing M&A Through Venture Debt and Bridge Loans Nathan showcases strong domain knowledge by naming specific venture debt lenders and probing bridge loan mechanics, while Chris outlines their convertible debt structure and retention dynamics.13:24–15:24 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Future M&A Strategy and Market Consolidation Opportunities Chris articulates Bynder's strategy for acquiring plateauing SaaS companies in adjacent categories before transitioning smoothly into the Famous Five closing round.0:51–3:40 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Core Product Definition and Customer Pricing Tiers Nathan quickly computes average ACV accounting for power laws and converts euros to USD, while Chris confirms and clarifies specific funding figures.3:41–6:21 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Revenue Trajectory, Rule of 40, and Cash Flow Discipline When Chris deflects revenue growth questions toward the Rule of 40 and EBITDA, Nathan firmly redirects him to get concrete historical ARR numbers.6:22–8:59 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Navigating the Webdam Acquisition and Operational Synergies Nathan theorizes on whether scaling plateaus at higher run rates forced profitability, while Chris explains the real operational hurdles of absorbing a 90-person competitor.9:00–13:24 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Financing M&A Through Venture Debt and Bridge Loans Nathan showcases strong domain knowledge by naming specific venture debt lenders and probing bridge loan mechanics, while Chris outlines their convertible debt structure and retention dynamics.13:24–15:24 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Future M&A Strategy and Market Consolidation Opportunities Chris articulates Bynder's strategy for acquiring plateauing SaaS companies in adjacent categories before transitioning smoothly into the Famous Five closing round.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 51% · guest 49%0:00 · Nathan 51% · guest 49%3:00 · Nathan 35.2% · guest 64.8%3:00 · Nathan 35.2% · guest 64.8%6:00 · Nathan 33.6% · guest 66.4%6:00 · Nathan 33.6% · guest 66.4%9:00 · Nathan 32.1% · guest 67.9%9:00 · Nathan 32.1% · guest 67.9%12:00 · Nathan 18.2% · guest 81.8%12:00 · Nathan 18.2% · guest 81.8%15:00 · Nathan 72.7% · guest 27.3%15:00 · Nathan 72.7% · guest 27.3%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 4:31 Deflecting pure ARR for Rule of 40 framing

Chris resists giving a direct historical ARR number by pushing back that at this stage growth must be combined with capital efficiency.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 5:20 Refusing Rule of 40 pivot for ARR numbers

Nathan explicitly cuts through the cash flow and Rule of 40 deflection to demand whether ARR doubled year-over-year.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 10:12 Explaining VC-backed bridge loan convertibility

Chris educates Nathan on why they structured the SVB bridge loan with VC support and convertible mechanics rather than traditional term debt.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 9:24 Listing venture debt lenders and loan structures

Nathan demonstrates high financial fluency by instantly naming prominent venture debt funds like Hercules, Timia, and SVB and distinguishing bridge terms from term loans.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Core Product Definition and Customer Pricing Tiers 5212 Nathan quickly computes average ACV accounting for power laws and converts euros to USD, while Chris confirms and clarifies specific funding figures.
Revenue Trajectory, Rule of 40, and Cash Flow Discipline 6126 When Chris deflects revenue growth questions toward the Rule of 40 and EBITDA, Nathan firmly redirects him to get concrete historical ARR numbers.
Navigating the Webdam Acquisition and Operational Synergies 5213 Nathan theorizes on whether scaling plateaus at higher run rates forced profitability, while Chris explains the real operational hurdles of absorbing a 90-person competitor.
Financing M&A Through Venture Debt and Bridge Loans 7313 Nathan showcases strong domain knowledge by naming specific venture debt lenders and probing bridge loan mechanics, while Chris outlines their convertible debt structure and retention dynamics.
Future M&A Strategy and Market Consolidation Opportunities 3101 Chris articulates Bynder's strategy for acquiring plateauing SaaS companies in adjacent categories before transitioning smoothly into the Famous Five closing round.

Statements from this episode (11)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bynder's customer contracts start around $30k and scale upwards of $100k
“Well, we have two sets of customers. We have our sort of SMB enterprise SMB enterprise and that's around close to 30 K US dollars a year. And then there's the larger customers that, that are upwards from a hundred up to we're getting close to the million mark.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 1:16
Assertion Supported
Hall: Bynder Acquired Webdam as Carve-Out from Shutterstock
“So we have due to the acquisition of Webdam a shutterstock company that was a carve out from them.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 3:01
Assertion Supported
Hall: Bynder has around 1,600 combined customers
“I think we're at around, what is it? Let me think. This is combined. 1600.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 3:56
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hall: Bynder is trending healthily above the Rule of 40
“If you bring that into consideration and we're trending healthily above the rule of 40, which is basically the growth percentage plus your EBITDA.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 4:45
Insight
Hall: Burning more cash yields diminishing returns on growth percentage
“The more you start burning, it's really difficult to add a couple more percent. So it starts costing more.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 6:57
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hall: Webdam was Bynder's primary competitor in the US
“They were the number one, our number one competitor in the US.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 8:40
Disclosure
Bynder used an SVB bridge loan to acquire Webdam and is refinancing
“We worked we worked with SVB for a bridge loan and are now basically refinancing that.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 9:32
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Chris Hall: Bynder's Net Revenue Retention Is 103% to 104%
“So we're at a 103, a 104 and net revenue retention.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 10:51
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Chris Hall: Bynder Maintains Around 93% Gross Revenue Retention
“Gross and net would be about 93, something like that.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 11:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Chris Hall: Bynder's CAC Payback Period Is Under 12 Months
“We're trying to trend towards 12 and we're actually under 12 right now”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 12:41
Insight
Hall: SaaS companies often plateau after $10M to $20M revenue
“I think SaaS companies sort of after 10, twenty million quite often it plateaus a little bit and because there's maybe not that, that huge total addressable market. So they start sort of slowing down a little bit.”
Chris Hall Sep 20, 2019 ▶ 13:44
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