Aug 8, 2023 · 15m · top-founders

How Hirize Hit $14k MRR in 60 Days

Ezra Kagan · 8m spoken Nathan Latka · 5m spoken
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In this episode of Conversations with Nathan Latka, Hirize founder Ezra Kagan discusses how her startup achieved $14,000 in monthly recurring revenue in 60 days by replacing outdated keyword-based resume parsers with modern AI infrastructure. She details the company's pre-seed fundraising, lean team structure in Istanbul, beta conversion funnel, and upcoming $2 million seed round.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 37.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.8 Guest teaching 3.8 Guest disagreement 1.3 Nathan pushing back 2.2
05100:0010:000:35–3:39 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Episode Preview: Hirize's Rapid Growth and Funding Nathan frames Hirize's enterprise value proposition connecting into stacks like Oracle and SAP. Ezra explains how legacy AI in HR tech was simply keyword matching and why modern parsing APIs are fundamentally different.3:40–5:46 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Analyzing Legacy Competitors and Resume Parsing Flaws Ezra educates Nathan on legacy market leader Sovereign's technical flaws, explaining that 30% of applicants are silently dropped due to unreadable file formats. Nathan playfully identifies her tough negotiation style regarding equity.5:46–7:56 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Pre-Seed Fundraising and Leveraging Founder Track Record Nathan analyzes the favorable dilution of raising $1M on a $10M cap SAFE during the 2022 market contraction. Ezra explains leveraging her VC background and founder pedigree before the broader generative AI wave hit.7:57–10:19 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Capital Runway, Team Structure, and Upcoming Seed Fundraising Nathan drills into Hirize's remaining cash runway and pushes back on whether Ezra can realistically achieve a $20M seed valuation on $14k MRR. Ezra defends her pricing power and notes development cost efficiencies in Turkey.10:19–13:41 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Beta Conversion Strategy and Enterprise Sales Funnel Nathan probes how Ezra structured beta conversions, asking whether pricing was locked beforehand and which activation metrics they tracked. Ezra openly admits she should have set pricing before the beta ended and breaks down vanity signups versus ICP users.13:41–14:58 · Nathan as informed peer 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through standard rapid-fire questions regarding Ezra's book, favorite tools, and daily habits in a relaxed wrap-up.0:35–3:39 · Guest teaching 5/10 Episode Preview: Hirize's Rapid Growth and Funding Nathan frames Hirize's enterprise value proposition connecting into stacks like Oracle and SAP. Ezra explains how legacy AI in HR tech was simply keyword matching and why modern parsing APIs are fundamentally different.3:40–5:46 · Guest teaching 6/10 Analyzing Legacy Competitors and Resume Parsing Flaws Ezra educates Nathan on legacy market leader Sovereign's technical flaws, explaining that 30% of applicants are silently dropped due to unreadable file formats. Nathan playfully identifies her tough negotiation style regarding equity.5:46–7:56 · Guest teaching 4/10 Pre-Seed Fundraising and Leveraging Founder Track Record Nathan analyzes the favorable dilution of raising $1M on a $10M cap SAFE during the 2022 market contraction. Ezra explains leveraging her VC background and founder pedigree before the broader generative AI wave hit.7:57–10:19 · Guest teaching 3/10 Capital Runway, Team Structure, and Upcoming Seed Fundraising Nathan drills into Hirize's remaining cash runway and pushes back on whether Ezra can realistically achieve a $20M seed valuation on $14k MRR. Ezra defends her pricing power and notes development cost efficiencies in Turkey.10:19–13:41 · Guest teaching 4/10 Beta Conversion Strategy and Enterprise Sales Funnel Nathan probes how Ezra structured beta conversions, asking whether pricing was locked beforehand and which activation metrics they tracked. Ezra openly admits she should have set pricing before the beta ended and breaks down vanity signups versus ICP users.13:41–14:58 · Guest teaching 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through standard rapid-fire questions regarding Ezra's book, favorite tools, and daily habits in a relaxed wrap-up.0:35–3:39 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Episode Preview: Hirize's Rapid Growth and Funding Nathan frames Hirize's enterprise value proposition connecting into stacks like Oracle and SAP. Ezra explains how legacy AI in HR tech was simply keyword matching and why modern parsing APIs are fundamentally different.3:40–5:46 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Analyzing Legacy Competitors and Resume Parsing Flaws Ezra educates Nathan on legacy market leader Sovereign's technical flaws, explaining that 30% of applicants are silently dropped due to unreadable file formats. Nathan playfully identifies her tough negotiation style regarding equity.5:46–7:56 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Pre-Seed Fundraising and Leveraging Founder Track Record Nathan analyzes the favorable dilution of raising $1M on a $10M cap SAFE during the 2022 market contraction. Ezra explains leveraging her VC background and founder pedigree before the broader generative AI wave hit.7:57–10:19 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Capital Runway, Team Structure, and Upcoming Seed Fundraising Nathan drills into Hirize's remaining cash runway and pushes back on whether Ezra can realistically achieve a $20M seed valuation on $14k MRR. Ezra defends her pricing power and notes development cost efficiencies in Turkey.10:19–13:41 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Beta Conversion Strategy and Enterprise Sales Funnel Nathan probes how Ezra structured beta conversions, asking whether pricing was locked beforehand and which activation metrics they tracked. Ezra openly admits she should have set pricing before the beta ended and breaks down vanity signups versus ICP users.13:41–14:58 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through standard rapid-fire questions regarding Ezra's book, favorite tools, and daily habits in a relaxed wrap-up.0:35–3:39 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Episode Preview: Hirize's Rapid Growth and Funding Nathan frames Hirize's enterprise value proposition connecting into stacks like Oracle and SAP. Ezra explains how legacy AI in HR tech was simply keyword matching and why modern parsing APIs are fundamentally different.3:40–5:46 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Analyzing Legacy Competitors and Resume Parsing Flaws Ezra educates Nathan on legacy market leader Sovereign's technical flaws, explaining that 30% of applicants are silently dropped due to unreadable file formats. Nathan playfully identifies her tough negotiation style regarding equity.5:46–7:56 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Pre-Seed Fundraising and Leveraging Founder Track Record Nathan analyzes the favorable dilution of raising $1M on a $10M cap SAFE during the 2022 market contraction. Ezra explains leveraging her VC background and founder pedigree before the broader generative AI wave hit.7:57–10:19 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Capital Runway, Team Structure, and Upcoming Seed Fundraising Nathan drills into Hirize's remaining cash runway and pushes back on whether Ezra can realistically achieve a $20M seed valuation on $14k MRR. Ezra defends her pricing power and notes development cost efficiencies in Turkey.10:19–13:41 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Beta Conversion Strategy and Enterprise Sales Funnel Nathan probes how Ezra structured beta conversions, asking whether pricing was locked beforehand and which activation metrics they tracked. Ezra openly admits she should have set pricing before the beta ended and breaks down vanity signups versus ICP users.13:41–14:58 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Nathan runs through standard rapid-fire questions regarding Ezra's book, favorite tools, and daily habits in a relaxed wrap-up.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 62.2% · guest 37.8%0:00 · Nathan 62.2% · guest 37.8%3:00 · Nathan 19.3% · guest 80.7%3:00 · Nathan 19.3% · guest 80.7%6:00 · Nathan 30.6% · guest 69.4%6:00 · Nathan 30.6% · guest 69.4%9:00 · Nathan 30.8% · guest 69.2%9:00 · Nathan 30.8% · guest 69.2%12:00 · Nathan 25.8% · guest 74.2%12:00 · Nathan 25.8% · guest 74.2%15:00 · Nathan 97.6% · guest 2.4%15:00 · Nathan 97.6% · guest 2.4%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 9:48 Unshakable valuation confidence

When Nathan doubts whether she can raise $2M on a $20M valuation with early revenue, Ezra assertively insists that she can.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 10:47 Challenging beta pricing discipline

Nathan presses Ezra on whether she secured commercial price commitments from beta users prior to release or waited until after launch.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 3:44 Exposing industry resume parsing failure rates

Ezra explains to Nathan how legacy market leader Sovereign drops roughly 30% of candidate resumes simply due to non-Word or PDF formatting issues.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 11:13 Drilling into SaaS activation telemetry

Nathan demonstrates SaaS expertise by breaking down exact analytical metrics—like daily API calls and onboarded seats—used to predict beta customer conversion.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Episode Preview: Hirize's Rapid Growth and Funding 5511 Nathan frames Hirize's enterprise value proposition connecting into stacks like Oracle and SAP. Ezra explains how legacy AI in HR tech was simply keyword matching and why modern parsing APIs are fundamentally different.
Analyzing Legacy Competitors and Resume Parsing Flaws 4622 Ezra educates Nathan on legacy market leader Sovereign's technical flaws, explaining that 30% of applicants are silently dropped due to unreadable file formats. Nathan playfully identifies her tough negotiation style regarding equity.
Pre-Seed Fundraising and Leveraging Founder Track Record 6412 Nathan analyzes the favorable dilution of raising $1M on a $10M cap SAFE during the 2022 market contraction. Ezra explains leveraging her VC background and founder pedigree before the broader generative AI wave hit.
Capital Runway, Team Structure, and Upcoming Seed Fundraising 6324 Nathan drills into Hirize's remaining cash runway and pushes back on whether Ezra can realistically achieve a $20M seed valuation on $14k MRR. Ezra defends her pricing power and notes development cost efficiencies in Turkey.
Beta Conversion Strategy and Enterprise Sales Funnel 7424 Nathan probes how Ezra structured beta conversions, asking whether pricing was locked beforehand and which activation metrics they tracked. Ezra openly admits she should have set pricing before the beta ended and breaks down vanity signups versus ICP users.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions 1100 Nathan runs through standard rapid-fire questions regarding Ezra's book, favorite tools, and daily habits in a relaxed wrap-up.

Statements from this episode (10)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kagan: 80% of outsourced HR APIs run on outdated technology
“So the systems that we're all using today, they're using, if they're using an outsourced API, which is 80%, they're using outdated technology to extract data from resumes and then match it.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 3:27
Opinion
Kagan: Market leader Sovren is horrible and fails at resume extraction
“Sovereign is horrible, and they are a market leader. And with horrible, I mean, they can't extract data, so they can't read non-Word or PDF resumes.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 3:57
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kagan: 30% of job candidates are rejected because parsers cannot read resumes
“So what happens is, is that 30% of candidates who apply for a job, they get rejected not based on their skills, Or their resume, but because the technology can't read their resume.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 4:07
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kagan: Hirize hits $14K MRR and 12 customers in two months
“We just started two months ago and we have 12 customers. We have now around 14 K revenue, MRR.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 4:49
Disclosure
Kagan: Hirize raised $1M on a $10M SAFE valuation cap
“No, our valuation was ten million dollars and we did like one million round on safe.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 7:14
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kagan: Hirize has six to seven months of runway remaining
“So we have around like six, seven months to go.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 8:49
Prediction Open · timeframe Aug 2026
Kagan: Hirize can raise $2M at a $20M valuation
“Yeah, yeah, I can.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 9:55
What-if
Kagan: Hirize would have higher MRR if pricing was pre-negotiated in beta
“I started negotiating after after I launched, which I think we would have more MRR if we did it, if we, you know, yeah, you can't do everything perfect.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 11:02
Insight
Kagan: Building a company around an API creates irreversible vendor lock-in
“So after three months and you build on an API and you built your own company, whole company around that API, you can't go back.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 11:41
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kagan: Hirize generated 1,400 beta signups with 80 actual users
“We had 1400 beta signups. I think we had, like, 80 actual users.”
Ezra Kagan Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 12:28
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