Jason Cohen
Founder & Chief Innovation Officer, WP Engine · 1 appearance on the record.
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Jason Cohen is the founder and Chief Innovation Officer at WP Engine. He also founded SmartBear Software and writes the startup blog A Smart Bear.
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Cohen: Studies show AI does not make software engineers 10x more productive
“Like in coding, it's not, right? Like all the studies in, in real engineering departments is not that AI makes them 10 times better. The only people who claim that are the people selling AI products, the users of it. You know, there might be individuals claimi…”
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Everything Jason Cohen said on Startups For the Rest of Us that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →
Cohen: Hyper-narrow ICP positioning attracts a 100x larger adjacent market
“If I'm very specific about what I am, then my ideal customer will definitely buy, which is already a reason to do it, but like a hundred times larger market than that. We'll see that specificity as a reason to buy your set of trade-offs, even though they're no…”
Cohen: VC-backed companies refuse human support due to gross margin compression
“So the fact that we had great human support is something like no VC wants you to have that because that's expensive and it comes out of your gross margin. Maybe it means you're not, you're quote unquote, not a software company because your gross margin is less…”
Cohen: Studies show AI does not make software engineers 10x more productive
“Like in coding, it's not, right? Like all the studies in, in real engineering departments is not that AI makes them 10 times better. The only people who claim that are the people selling AI products, the users of it. You know, there might be individuals claimi…”
Cohen: Raising capital is usually the wrong fix for lagging growth
“So if the feeling is, man, I'm not growing as fast as I want, or I'm not as profitable as I want, or I'm not getting this or that goal that I want. Usually the answer is not, oh, I gotta go raise a bunch of money, right? Like almost always we, even if you have…”
Cohen: Linear is beating Jira by focusing on users over buyers
“Linear is a great product. It's starting to beat Jira in a lot of ways because of their design decisions and their focus on an ICP, by the way, laser focus on that. And it's the user, not the buyer, which is super interesting.”
Cohen: Strategy failures stem from misjudging importance, not ignorance
“A lot of times what's wrong with a strategy is not that we didn't know something, it's that we didn't realize how important that thing was.”
Cohen: Technical founders building product first fails to de-risk customer acquisition
“The typical thing an engineer does is, is go work on the product because it's fun and you know how, and it's kind of why you're doing this in the first place and all that. It's exactly the wrong thing to do because the limiting factor here is, can you find cus…”
Cohen: Startups mostly fail due to compounding multiplicative probabilities of success
“It takes many, many things that are all an, and so probabilities that get multiplied. And that's very bad because even if the probabilities are reasonable, like Yeah, but if it looked like 10 of them, that probably is really low. And by the way, a lot are not …”
Cohen: Specific negative reviews yield higher sales and fewer returns
“Products that have net negative reviews that are specific about what is negative about the product have higher sales and fewer returns than other products with the same rating, like, you know, 4.1 stars or whatever.”
Cohen: Company culture acts as a moat because competitors cannot easily change
“In competitive analysis, we often think about their business structure or their features or their architecture and that you're right. But the culture and attitude, it does matter too. Like, let's not forget that companies don't change that very often. And if t…”
Cohen: Brand is a moat when customers buy despite inferior features
“How do you tell when brand is really starting to matter either competitively at all, or maybe a moat as opposed to just the identity of the thing, like a handle of the thing is when customers are making buying decisions because of it. It doesn't have to be the…”
Cohen: AI belongs in the solution space, not the problem space
“People talk about AI like it's part of the problem to solve or that people want AI. False. AI is part of the solution space. How is it that I can deliver more of what they already wanted because of AI? AI has made something possible that was previously impossi…”
Cohen: Every market of reasonable size will be flooded with AI products
“My assumption is that every market of any reasonable size will be flooded with AI products. Maybe it already is, but my assumption is if it isn't already, it's going to be.”
Cohen: WP Engine spent tens of millions expanding into enterprise campaigns
“When WP Engine first started, we were only for like small business, maybe medium sized. A lot of times it was going through freelancers, sometimes direct. And sure, four or five years in, we saw some more appetite from larger companies, but not for their homep…”
Cohen: WP Engine bootstrapped for two years before raising $1M
“When we raised money, which wasn't for two years, because originally the idea was to bootstrap it again, it was the fourth bootstrap company. It's just right. But even then we only raised a million dollars. It's not exactly like earth shattering quantities of …”
Cohen: WP Engine's growth permanently inflected after 2012 pricing changes
“The pricing was already pretty good, but we had some revelations talking to customers, and Hearing some stories or some revelations where we reset the prices, not dramatically, just like certain things in 2012. And that's when we really took off. That's like w…”
The other half of the tape: Jason Cohen's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 70 times in 32 episodes on Startups For the Rest of Us. 11 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →
Who brings them up most Rob Walling 59James Kennedy 4Derrick Reimer 4Einar Vollset 2Craig Hewitt 1
Statements about Jason Cohen, by other people (11)
Walling: Building an audience is not worth it for SaaS founders
“If you're going to sell info products, build an audience, not for SaaS, not worth it. There's other things you should do”
Vollset: SaaS Growth Stalls at $1M–$3M ARR Without New Products or Channels
“And I think the biggest mindset change that I've observed repeatedly is people, once they get past about a million in ARR two or three, they get to the stage. They're like, oh, like my growth is stalling out now. Like what I was working, like my market saturat…”
Reimer: Buffer lowered prices to serve its ICP and recharge growth
“Then he gave the example of Buffer, who in service of their ICP lowered their prices in order to recharge their growth.”
Walling: Bringing Bootstrapper Pragmatism to Venture Capital Is a Superpower
“Now that I have like raised funding with tiny seed and I see companies that raise a few million, you know, we have a bunch of tiny seed companies that have done this. If you do it well, if you think about it like a bootstrapper, and you approach it like Laura …”
Rob Walling: Repeat SaaS Founder Success Proves Early Validation Is Learnable
“I'm going to point to Jason Cohen. I'm going to point to Heaton Shaw. I'm going to point to David Cancel. I'm going to point to myself. I'm going to point to Ruben Gomez. I'm going to put, you know, how many like two, three, four times successful founders? The…”
Walling: Online creators fail to credit established startup frameworks weekly
“Not a week goes by, literally not a week, sometimes it's more than that, that I don't see someone on Twitter, or YouTube, Reddit, Hacker News, claiming a concept, or even not claiming it, but not crediting a concept that's pretty well-defined, that either I in…”
Rob Walling's $20,000 WP Engine angel check is his third-best asset
“When I scraped together, you know, a couple, 20 grand, I think, which was an enormous amount of money for me at the time. To write Jason Cohen a check, and I was honored to be part of it, and it paid out a tremendous, tremendous payout for me, and it's probabl…”
Rob Walling: Jason Cohen obtained 40 customer pre-commitments validating WP Engine
“I had modeled my approach after Steve Blank's original customer development, but realistically, more so after Jason Cohen's validation or pre-validation of WP Engine. And he talked to a lot of people, and he got 40 yeses.”
Walling: Jason Cohen paid consultants' hourly rates to validate WP Engine
“I know that Jason Cohen, when he was vetting WP Engine, he would actually pay consultants or agencies, or he would offer to pay. He's like, I know your rate is a hundred dollars an hour, And I'll pay you know, for a half hour or for a full hour of your consult…”
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Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Episode 817 | Bootstrapping in the Age of AI with Jason Cohen | Jan 27, 2026 | 37m |