Jay Clouse
Founder, Creator Science · 1 appearance on the record.
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Jay Clouse operates Creator Science, a multi-platform media company encompassing a podcast, newsletter, and YouTube channel focused on helping digital creators build sustainable businesses. He also founded The Lab, a private membership community for professional creators.
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Clouse: YouTube Shorts viewers rarely convert into long-form content viewers
“Like I find that most shorts viewers just aren't interested in long form. And so it's not that YouTube isn't making it easy for them to do that. It's just that that's not what the user behavior is.”
Clouse: Monetizing creators must prioritize market demand over pure artistic taste
“If you have financial constraints and you want this thing to be a viable business on some predictable timeframe, I think you need to lean into being a distributor because businesses are built on creating value for people. So you have to understand what people …”
Clouse: Top-of-funnel external discovery, not email quality, drives newsletter growth
“The best way to grow an email list is not by writing great emails, unfortunately. Like it's by getting top of funnel elsewhere, introducing them to the point, to the fact that you have email.”
Jay Clouse: Monthly billing in peer-to-peer communities invites failure
“Like I think a monthly membership and a peer-to-peer based community is a bad idea. You'll have to do annual. You could do biannual. You could do quarterly, but I think monthly memberships and a peer to peer based space is setting yourself up for failure.”
Clouse: Cohort-based courses should precede self-paced ones
“Before you do like a self-paced course, you should do a cohort based version of it because the price is higher. You get much better feedback. You can triage issues that come up. So you get better student outcomes earlier on.”
Clouse: Strong IP frameworks can anchor entire creator businesses
“This is something that isn't talked about enough in the world of creators is intellectual property frameworks, methodologies, because you do that well, you can build a whole business on the back of that because you put the thought into making something great a…”
Clouse: A spiky point of view is a prerequisite for modern creators
“I think that's becoming prerequisite for creators today is to really have some spiky point of view or some unique premises.”
Clouse: Professional content creation is entrepreneurship, which only suits a minority
“In my opinion, creators Done well done in a way that is professional. You have to be an entrepreneur and it's always going to be a minority of the population that is an entrepreneur. If you don't have it in you. I'm not going to try and convince you that you d…”
Clouse: Creators struggle to monetize attention rather than create content
“Ironically, what I still see as the biggest issue for most creators who enter my world, it's not creating good work and it's often not even just getting attention to their work. A lot of them don't know how to turn that attention into a business. They have lik…”
Clouse: Content-driven memberships command lower price points than peer-driven ones
“When I see a lot of memberships that are predicated on premium content also tend to be lower priced.”
Clouse: Exclusive peer-to-peer spaces hold massive pricing power
“If you are able to create this very rare, scarce space where a very select exclusive group of people get together to meet other people like them, that's valued really highly.”
Clouse: Scaling Peer-to-Peer Communities Degrades Early Member Experience
“There's an interesting relationship to scale with memberships where at a certain point, if this is based on peer to peer connectivity, you actually have to fight against the success of the product because huge numbers changes the experience for members who wer…”
Clouse: Creators must divide channels into discovery and relationship platforms
“I think as a creator, there are two types of platforms you can be creating on. I call them discovery platforms and relationship platforms. Discovery platforms have built in discovery mechanisms to the platform social media, YouTube search engines. These platfo…”
Clouse: Audio podcasts natively lack discovery and require external funnels
“There's no discoverability and like the re really the best way to grow audio listeners is either to have a massive top of funnel elsewhere already, or to get on other podcasts or do cross promotions. Like you really only convert existing audio listeners to aud…”
Jay Clouse: Breakout YouTube videos revive back catalogs unlike audio podcasts
“You have one video do really well. If the back catalog is good, it just gives the back catalog new life when one video does well. And that does not happen in audio.”
Clouse: Long-form interviews are YouTube on hard mode
“If your channel is predicated on long form interviews, that's just not the typical YouTube video that's playing YouTube on hard mode as it is.”
Clouse: Guests without built-in YouTube pull get audio-only episodes
“If we don't think that the guest will have significant pull with a unknown, you know, to a new Viewer on YouTube. We don't make a video episode out of it. We basically make it audio only and then save our resources for video specific creators.”
Clouse: Winning the distinct micro-games of both Twitter and Instagram is difficult
“It's really hard to like win the micro games of multiple macro games. That's why it's hard to be successful on Instagram and Twitter simultaneously.”
Clouse: Top-of-Funnel Social Media Forces Creators onto an Endless Content Treadmill
“When you are playing the social media game as part of your top of funnel, That's, that becomes a lot of production on its own, let alone whatever that is moving towards. So you get in this place where it's like, I am creating so much all the time just to remai…”
Clouse: Low-engagement promo tweets consistently generated $1,500 membership conversions
“If I tweeted once a week or twice a week about the community, it would be my lowest engagement tweet, but it would result in a new member. And so I just looked at this as like, I don't even care. The spread on this is worth saying, this is worth sharing, and i…”
Jay Clouse: Improving member retention beats optimizing top-of-funnel acquisition
“I think retention is the golden metric of if you have a good membership and if you feel like your retention is low, then that is a signal to focus on investing in the experience and making it more retentive because it's better to make the product more retentiv…”
Clouse: A fractional community management agency is a massive untapped opportunity
“In this space, I think there is room for a, an agency that is of fractional community managers, because there are a ton of people who are able to build and grow communities. They don't want to do active management of it. They don't want to hire, maybe can't hi…”
Clouse: Creator economy is broadly split between education and entertainment
“So in the creator economy, quote unquote, I think it's kind of a dichotomy between people on the education side and people on the entertainment side. And of course there's some in between people who are both educational and entertaining. But broadly, I see tha…”
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Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| How Jay Clouse Built a $500,000 ARR Community (in Less than 2 Years) | Sep 21, 2023 | 29m |